I'm gonna grab you to be one of my plural wives in the CK

[_Seven]

It seems that most of the early church leaders said that everyone was required to accept polygamy in principle (believe in it), but did not have to practice it.

You might be interested in this quote. http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 6043&st=80:

We have always taught to our people that polygamy, or celestial marriage, as commanded by God through Joseph Smith, was right; that it was a necessity to man's highest exaltation in the life to come.
...
[signed]
Wilford Woodruff
George Q. Cannon
Joseph F. Smith
Lorenzo Snow
Franklin D. Richards
Moses Thatcher
Francis M. Lyman
Heber J. Grant
John Henry Smith
John W. Taylor
Marriner W. Merrill
Anthon H. Lund
Abraham H. Cannon
--"Amnesty," Contributor 13 (Feb. 1892): 196. (another version in MFP 3:230 begins "We formerly taught...")

[_cinepro]

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 6631&st=80

If I may fall to a moment of self-indulgence, I think post #108 was my all-time favorite of my posts at MA&D. Too bad Juliann was a moderator

[_The Nehor]

Fine, it makes almost everyone here feel icky. We get it.

I don't particularly want it but if asked to live polygyny or polyandry by God I would do so.

[_Yoda]

Fine, it makes almost everyone here feel icky. We get it.

I don't particularly want it but if asked to live polygyny or polyandry by God I would do so.

Report to the Goddess Suite immediately.

[_The Nehor]

Fine, it makes almost everyone here feel icky. We get it.

I don't particularly want it but if asked to live polygyny or polyandry by God I would do so.

Report to the Goddess Suite immediately.

I've only seen one Goddess in my life. Sorry Liz it wasn't you or anyone else in your suite so I'm not going to take that as a divine command.

[_cinepro]

Wow. In reading those threads, I had almost forgotten how totally out to lunch Juliann is on the subject of polygamy. For some reason, she seems to have created an alternate universe where LDS leaders have said totally different things, and LDS doctrine is defined much differently. If the reality of Mormon polygamy ever came crashing into her alternate universe, it could be catastrophic.

Check out Bee Eff in post #57, and then Juliann's response in post #74.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php?showtopic=36043&st=80:

As pointed out in my other post, Elder Ballard's interview says nothing of the sort. The manifesto says nothing of the sort. Which, obviously, is why she doesn't actually include the quotes in the post.

[_dblagent007]

I disagree that the quote is taken out of context. You need to remember that there are 3 Levels of glory in the Celestial Kingdom.
If you can figure out who goes to the middle one, you'll have your answer.

Okay, BY said that if you want to obtain the blessings of Abraham (i.e., continuation of seeds), you need to accept polygamy in faith. He then seems to say that if you are individually commanded to enter polygamy and reject it you will not enter the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. Thus, if one does not reject an individual command to enter polygamy (i.e., disobey priesthood leaders), then that person can believe in polygamy and still reach the celestial kingdom.

I can see your side of the argument, but I just don't see this quote as being unequivocal enough.

I recommend reading these two threads and pay close attention to "Kamenraiders" posts. He is one of the few believers on MAD that will put the teachings & history of plural marriages along with sections 131 and 132 in context.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 6631&st=80

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... =0&start=0

I checked these out, but Kamenraider did not offer much to back up his position. I am looking for evidence, not someone's current belief.

[_dblagent007]

You might be interested in this quote. http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 6043&st=80:

We have always taught to our people that polygamy, or celestial marriage, as commanded by God through Joseph Smith, was right; that it was a necessity to man's highest exaltation in the life to come.
...
[signed]
Wilford Woodruff
George Q. Cannon
Joseph F. Smith
Lorenzo Snow
Franklin D. Richards
Moses Thatcher
Francis M. Lyman
Heber J. Grant
John Henry Smith
John W. Taylor
Marriner W. Merrill
Anthon H. Lund
Abraham H. Cannon
--"Amnesty," Contributor 13 (Feb. 1892): 196. (another version in MFP 3:230 begins "We formerly taught...")

Okay, I checked that thread and Kamenraider has the goods. That is what I was looking for.

[_dblagent007]

Wow. In reading those threads, I had almost forgotten how totally out to lunch Juliann is on the subject of polygamy. For some reason, she seems to have created an alternate universe where LDS leaders have said totally different things, and LDS doctrine is defined much differently. If the reality of Mormon polygamy ever came crashing into her alternate universe, it could be catastrophic.

Yeah, Juliann was way out there on polygamy.

[_Seven]

"dblagent007"
Okay, BY said that if you want to obtain the blessings of Abraham (i.e., continuation of seeds), you need to accept polygamy in faith. He then seems to say that if you are individually commanded to enter polygamy and reject it you will not enter the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. Thus, if one does not reject an individual command to enter polygamy (i.e., disobey priesthood leaders), then that person can believe in polygamy and still reach the celestial kingdom.

I can see your side of the argument, but I just don't see this quote as being unequivocal enough.

Not all the 19th century Mormons were able to live polygamy here on earth (for financial, worthiness issues, or lack of women) but they were commanded to have a testimony of it and prepared to live the law should they be asked. In other words, if it wasn't to happen here, they were fully expecting it for the next life as a requirement for exaltation. (through proxy work) If you understand what it means to become a Mormon God, then plural marriage fits right into exaltation.

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... =0&start=0

I checked these out, but Kamenraider did not offer much to back up his position. I am looking for evidence, not someone's current belief.

If you check out Kamenraiders post history on polygamy threads, you'll find a gold mine of information and the unequivocal teachings you are looking for. Did you read Cinepro's post? Good stuff there.