JoetheClerk wrote:Talk the talk guys but you don't walk the walk.
Would you really rather have an Elizabeth Smart dead rather than home alive? She committed NO sin, she is a victim. Partly of her own father who was too damn cheap to hire real contractors to work on his McMansion and instead hired ex-cons who then came back and kidnapped and 'married' the poor girl.
Maybe you can push "The inspired leaders" to actually tell what the doctrine is these days?
Hold on, let's not blame the victims. There are a lot of people in this country, LDS and non LDS, who hire non-licensed people to work on their property. The Smarts didn't deserve what happened to them. But you are correct about leaders talking the talk, but not walking the walk. When Elizabeth Smart came home, her church leaders were quick to point out that she was innocent and clean, even though she obviously did not fight to the death. So LDS leaders may talk tough on this issue when it is just a theory, but when it really happens to someone, even they can't bring themselves to condemn.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
SatanWasSetUp wrote: But you are correct about leaders talking the talk, but not walking the walk. When Elizabeth Smart came home, her church leaders were quick to point out that she was innocent and clean, even though she obviously did not fight to the death. So LDS leaders may talk tough on this issue when it is just a theory, but when it really happens to someone, even they can't bring themselves to condemn.
Especially if Daddy makes enough money to live in a mansion.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Much as I like you, Daniel, you aren't one of the Brethren. Your words do not carry the weight of God speaking.
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(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Daniel Peterson wrote:I don't hear the Brethren teaching the better-dead-than-deflowered thing any more. Haven't heard it in decades.
From an earlier page:
Elder Richard G. Scott of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, in the Ensign, wrote: If you are not familiar with the classic steps to repentance, such as confession and abandonment of sin, restitution, obedience, and seeking forgiveness, talk to a bishop or study a source such as President Spencer W. Kimball’s masterly work The Miracle of Forgiveness.
- "Peace of Conscience and Peace of Mind," November 2004
Does 2004 count as recent? Does Elder Scott count as one of the Brethren?
Please tell me you don't use the Miracle of Forgiveness like other bishops have. Please.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Daniel Peterson wrote:I've asked one person to read Miracle of Forgiveness over the past eighteen months.
There's a lot more in it than better-dead-than-deflowered.
I don't know how other bishops use the book.
I do know that I have dealt with literally scores of cases of sexual transgression, and that I've not dealt with any two of them in the same way.
Some people need to be comforted and built up. Some need a bucket of ice water in the face, first.
the book is the source of the better-dead-than-deflowered teaching. It's not like someone can say... read pages 1-74, then skip to page 130 and read to the end (not having read the book myself, I don't know the exact pages to skip). If the book is assigned, the bishop still teaches the better-dead-than-deflowered to some of the most vulnerable people around.
And so does Elder Scott.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
I have the book. I've just never been instructed to read it (never having been in that situation). It's a leftover from my son's experience.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.