Is this what you would tell Elizabeth Smart & her parents?

[_Ray A]

I can't say I totally disagree, Inc. It's a spider's web.

I will be deleting my blog in the next few minutes.

Sometimes I think the whole Internet MBs/blogs is madness.

My garden needs some attention.

[_Inconceivable]

I don't care who you think you are. You need to come to your senses.

Nor do I care who you think you are, though I echo your advice, to you.

You have no idea how off target you were.

In any event, you could have sent me a quiet but concerned private message. I wouldn't be so quick, given the way you behaved, to label somebody else an ass.

So what. At least you deleted something potentially harmful to those that hope and pray you hold their confidence sacred.

An no, you are a public figure, I think you deserve the scrutiny you attract. You shouldn't expect a private message when you post what you did.

Label, no label. You were an instant ass until you thoughtfully made an attempt to unring this bell. Ultimately, I think you did the right thing. Now go see your Bishop.

[_Jason Bourne]

I don't hear the Brethren teaching the better-dead-than-deflowered thing any more. Haven't heard it in decades.

Just before he was made an apostle then president Bednar made the remark in an talk at BYUI. I can look it up for you if you wish.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

I don't hear the Brethren teaching the better-dead-than-deflowered thing any more. Haven't heard it in decades.

Just before he was made an apostle then president Bednar made the remark in an talk at BYUI. I can look it up for you if you wish.

Before he was an apostle doesn't count. I don't anyone who takes the words of non-apostles seriously.

[Guest]

I asked my wife about the better-dead-than-deflowered doctrine and, to my surprise, she completely agrees with it. In her view, she would rather fight to the death than let someone rape her.

I disagree with her on this issue, but I have to say that I really admire her warrior mentality. It's refreshing in these times where wimpiness is glorified (i.e., Obama) to hear that someone actually would fight an attacker to the death.

[_Daniel Peterson]

An no, you are a public figure, I think you deserve the scrutiny you attract.

Perhaps you've got a point. If publicly and anonymously calling a named person an "ass" is the most rigorous "scrutiny" you're capable of mustering, I suppose your little contribution should be welcomed and, um, valued.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

In theory, fighting to the death to defend your virtue may seem like a good idea, but I've never heard the brethren offer suggestions for how this is done. It is very difficult to fight a bigger, stronger opponent to the death when they do not want to kill you. If a 200 lb rapist attacks a 120 lb woman, and he pins her down to the ground, how exactly can she fight to the death? Once the guy gets her pinned, he isn't going to kill her, he's going to rape her. Even if he plans to kill her, he is going to rape her first. So she still dies without her virtue intact. So how does she make sure she dies before she is raped? I have never understood how a woman is supposed to fight a rapist to the death before she is raped.

Here's an idea. Perhaps women should carry glass cyanide capsules with them at all times. When a strange man is near, they can pop the capsule in their mouth. If the man attempts to rape them, they simply bite down on the capsule and hope the cyanide kills them before penetration occurs. If it turns out to be a false alarm, and the guy is simply a regular man walking by, they spit the capsule out for later use.

[_Dr. Shades]

In theory, fighting to the death to defend your virtue may seem like a good idea, but I've never heard the brethren offer suggestions for how this is done. It is very difficult to fight a bigger, stronger opponent to the death when they do not want to kill you. If a 200 lb rapist attacks a 120 lb woman, and he pins her down to the ground, how exactly can she fight to the death? Once the guy gets her pinned, he isn't going to kill her, he's going to rape her. Even if he plans to kill her, he is going to rape her first. So she still dies without her virtue intact. So how does she make sure she dies before she is raped? I have never understood how a woman is supposed to fight a rapist to the death before she is raped.

You know what? That's a good point; I'm embarrassed that it hadn't occurred to me before.

Someone ought to say those exact words the next time the licked cupcake lesson is taught.

[_truth dancer]

I asked my wife about the better-dead-than-deflowered doctrine and, to my surprise, she completely agrees with it. In her view, she would rather fight to the death than let someone rape her.

I disagree with her on this issue, but I have to say that I really admire her warrior mentality. It's refreshing in these times where wimpiness is glorified (i.e., Obama) to hear that someone actually would fight an attacker to the death.

It is so sad to me to think that anyone is taught a doctrine that it is better to end your life than be raped. WOW... how sick is this? I don't get it. It sickens me that this would even enter the mind of a girl or woman.

Even worse is the sickening declaration that men would rather their wives and daughter be dead than raped. WOW... lots of love there! NOT!

And the idea that a girl or woman can fight off a rapist is (in 99.99% of cases) ridiculous. Ummm, in case anyone is completely out of touch with life, many rapists have weapons, have buddies, have a plan, and are much stronger than their victims. HELLO... do you think a rapist is going to try to attack a woman who could win a fight? My gosh, are people this clueless to reality? OK, news flash... rapists pick girls and women they can rape.

What craziness is it to teach a woman that she must try to fight off an attacker, even if it means she will die. (You know, a mother who will not be there for her children, or a girl who will not grow up). Seriously, this is perverted nonsense!

I have worked with rape victims who felt guilty for not fighting hard enough. My response is, the very fact that she is alive tells me she did what she needed to to survive. She is a survivor! And, I am deeply grateful for her life.

The "warrior mentality" of a woman or girl thinking she should fight an attacker to the death is not something to celebrate, it is something enormously distressing and dangerous.

How about teaching a girl or woman to do whatever she can to survive. How about teaching girls and women that it is better to be alive than dead. How about teaching her how valuable her life is? How about LDS leaders telling girls and women that they would much rather have them alive to share their gifts with the world, than in a pine box.

OMG... this whole thing is so sick and primitive I can hardly believe we are even having such a discussion in this day and age.



OK, rant over!

~td~

[_dblagent007]

Someone ought to say those exact words the next time the licked cupcake lesson is taught.

I've heard the licked cupcake lesson before, but only in the context of consentual relations, not rape.