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Read This Before Giving Any More Money To The Church

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Some might be shocked to learn that the Mormon Church directly funds the Utah Boys Ranch/West Ridge Academy/Mormon gulag. Some might refuse to believe it, still.

I read the following post on the Mormon Gulag Message Board that left me feeling sated and happy.

hey dan im glad you brought up the fact that the CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS paid for you to go to the UTAH BOYS RANCH for 4 and a half years. that is something that needs to be stated.

i was at the UTAH BOYS RANCH for a year and 3 months and the CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS spent a $30,000 donation given to them by a member that had passed away. that only covered about 10 months in the UTAH BOYS RANCH. the other 5 months were "free" for me. i say "free" because i know the UTAH BOYS RANCH got their money somehow. it sickens me to know that the CHURCH OF Jesus Christ OF LATTER DAY SAINTS would dirty their hands like this. it sickens me to know that any state or religious institution would support places like the UTAH BOYS RANCH.


Could you think of a worse way for the church to squander your dying gift? Do you think that poor, deceased member thought a creature like Chris Buttars would get his hands on his last $30,000?

Nothing makes me resent the Mormon church more than their involvement with this place.
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You're sated and happy because someone with a broken Shift key and hyperactive Caps Lock key accuses the Church. You're happy and sated that there's an alleged monetary connection?
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The Nehor wrote:You're sated and happy because someone with a broken Shift key and hyperactive Caps Lock key accuses the Church. You're happy and sated that there's an alleged monetary connection?


I'm happy and sated that evidence literally falls in my lap, begging to be posted in my defense. I'm sated and happy that Mormons, like you, get to read that your church does in fact fund a gulag (and likely thinks of it as an investment).

I'm sated and happy that I am sent photos of LDS missionaries in their offices, talking to boys (see my website).

I'm sated and happy that there is even more documentation of the monetary connection - and it is no longer honest to poo poo it away as "alleged."

I'm also somewhat amused that you consistently chime in on this. One can't help but wonder where the fascination with adolescent boys stems from.
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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT:

How does the person who posted that know that the money came from a person who donated $30,000 to the church? It seems that the church wouldn't tell him the source of their money.

Plus, if he was getting the rest of his money from a source other than his family, who's to say that it wasn't the state government? I can't imagine the gulag telling him where it got his tuition money.

I just think it's best to ensure, beforehand, that this source is ironclad.

(Plus, I'm sure you'd rather be hearing these questions from me, first, instead of some outraged Mormon later.)
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GoodK wrote:
The Nehor wrote:You're sated and happy because someone with a broken Shift key and hyperactive Caps Lock key accuses the Church. You're happy and sated that there's an alleged monetary connection?


I'm happy and sated that evidence literally falls in my lap, begging to be posted in my defense. I'm sated and happy that Mormons, like you, get to read that your church does in fact fund a gulag (and likely thinks of it as an investment).

I'm sated and happy that I am sent photos of LDS missionaries in their offices, talking to boys (see my website).

I'm sated and happy that there is even more documentation of the monetary connection - and it is no longer honest to poo poo it away as "alleged."

I'm also somewhat amused that you consistently chime in on this. One can't help but wonder where the fascination with adolescent boys stems from.


Pedophilia obviously.

Or it could be that your use of it to smear an organization I love peeves me. If by documentation you mean posts on the intratubes from random people then I can get documented cases of alien abduction for you by tomorrow. How does this guy know where the money came from? I seriously doubt that the Church has a special fund for this kind of thing that only certain donations go to.
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Dr. Shades wrote:WITH ALL DUE RESPECT:

How does the person who posted that know that the money came from a person who donated $30,000 to the church? It seems that the church wouldn't tell him the source of their money.

Plus, if he was getting the rest of his money from a source other than his family, who's to say that it wasn't the state government? I can't imagine the gulag telling him where it got his tuition money.

I just think it's best to ensure, beforehand, that this source is ironclad.

(Plus, I'm sure you'd rather be hearing these questions from me, first, instead of some outraged Mormon later.)


I certainly understand the skepticism, I should have been more clear. I knew Jordan very well, and feel a brotherly affection towards him. I have asked him how he knows, exactly, so I'll clue you in on the response. I don't see it beyond any Bishop to reveal the source of the donation - as a guilt-fueled motivational speech - or for that matter his parents as a "you should be grateful" type of thing.
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it would certainly seem logical for the parents to know who was paying the bill and not a unfathonable they would tell the wayward son.
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The Nehor wrote:Pedophilia obviously.


:surprised:


Or it could be that your use of it to smear an organization I love peeves me.


By "smear" do you mean report. If I've said anything untrue about the organization that you love - that finances this god-awful gulag - please tell me. Or tell the organization you love to make a statement detailing their involvement with the Mormon gulag.

If by documentation you mean posts on the intratubes from random people then I can get documented cases of alien abduction for you by tomorrow.


No, by documentation I mean a firsthand account.

I seriously doubt that the Church has a special fund for this kind of thing that only certain donations go to.


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Example: Call something by a different name: “good repute” instead of “honor,” “virtue” instead of “virginity,” “red-blooded” instead of “vertebrates”.



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Nehore:
Or it could be that your use of it to smear an organization I love ..


Cult..
I mean really what normal person loves an organization?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it.
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What if they didn't realize they were dealing with evil? It certainly wouldn't be the first time for them (*cough* Hoffmann *cough*) or other organizations to be used by evil men.

I have no sympathy for pedophiles or child abusers of any sort (like those who make gulags) nor for their supporters. However, I do have sympathy for those who unwittingly support evil. While I think you're doing good work in trying to put an end to it and hold accountable those responsible for such despicable acts, I also fear you are reaching a bit too far in assigning blame. Now it may be that the church did knowingly support evil and if so it deserves to be held accountable. However, I think it more likely that a bishop or even a general authority acted in ignorance.

It's usually best to assume the most noble motives in others when trying to judge how kind or cruel they may be, but best to understand and account for evil possibilities before making ones-self potentially vulnerable.
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