The Nehor wrote:Change the situation a bit. Suppose someone you love is being raped in front of you. I would condemn myself if I didn't fight to stop it. I don't care if they have a weapon or if I die doing it. I think that would be a just condemnation. Remember that with this teaching came with a teaching to males that they should die to protect someone from such an assault. Some things are worth fighting for even if the odds are long or borderline impossible.
But what if you arrive too late and she's already lost her virtue? At that point it would be better to put a javelin through her and the rapist so that their spilled blood will atone for their sins. :)
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
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SatanWasSetUp wrote:But what if you arrive too late and she's already lost her virtue? At that point it would be better to put a javelin through her and the rapist so that their spilled blood will atone for their sins. :)
the answer to that is: never.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Her secret exploded. It had been her intent to put the episode behind her, to forget it and never let anyone know that “she was not a virgin—that she felt dirty—that she no longer felt worthy of Heavenly Father’s love.”
..But my beautiful daughter wished it had killed her
This is February of 2009.
Anyone here willing to define virginity? What she believed about herself is not different than what many others of her cultural environment viewed her as. Why would their mindset be any different than hers? If there is a devil, these are his thoughts as well.
What type of countenance does it take to see beyond another's scars of life?
SatanWasSetUp wrote:But what if you arrive too late and she's already lost her virtue? At that point it would be better to put a javelin through her and the rapist so that their spilled blood will atone for their sins. :)
At that point you provide what comfort you can and help her to get help.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Having watched Elizabeth Smart interviewed on inter-National TV recently, I was impressed by this young woman's candor, honesty and her sense of self. I saw none of the negative stuff that has been tossed about here...
Indicates to me that she has been nurtured in her home with the best of stuff. Thanks or no-thanks to her LDS heritage. IMSCO Elizabeth exemplified a real person who accepted her fate, applied wisdom to both its cause and effects, has healed and moved on wiser, dare I say, for her experience.
Thank "God" Elizabeth did not fight to her death. But lived to show there IS life after adversity. Her story is in direct contrast to the young woman in the story sited in the web-site a few days back. Who was conditioned by misuderstanding and ignorance--what ever its source...
While I do not believe Mormon theology, nor much of Christian mythology, I think the constant haranguing on the past teaching-stupids of LDSism, and Christianism, does little to move anyone ahead, nor to advance the cause of charitable human relations that will create a future better than the past; independent of religion... Roger * *
Have you noticed what a beautiful day it is? Some can't... "God": nick-name for the Universe...
SatanWasSetUp wrote:Nobody thinks a woman shouldn't fight back. That's ridiculous. I've never seen anyone argue that. The issue were discussing is the attitude taught by many church leaders that if a woman "survives" a rape, no matter how hard she fought, it obviously wasn't good enough. It would've been better if she had died before being raped.
That's not what was taught even back then.
Since you were not alive then how would you know ?
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
Roger wrote:While I do not believe Mormon theology, nor much of Christian mythology, I think the constant haranguing on the past teaching-stupids of LDSism, and Christianism, does little to move anyone ahead, nor to advance the cause of charitable human relations that will create a future better than the past; independent of religion...
I agree with you completely on this.
We need to concentrate on the current stupid teachings.
The Nehor wrote:Change the situation a bit. Suppose someone you love is being raped in front of you. I would condemn myself if I didn't fight to stop it. I don't care if they have a weapon or if I die doing it. I think that would be a just condemnation. Remember that with this teaching came with a teaching to males that they should die to protect someone from such an assault. Some things are worth fighting for even if the odds are long or borderline impossible.
What a selfish prick. This is all about you and how you feel.
Who cares if you could spend the next 40 years enjoying this person, and that person could spend the next 40 years enjoying life. Nope. YOU would feel bad, and it's better someone dies rather than letting you feel like you weren't some sort of shining knight.
That's one of the most screwed up things I think I've ever read.
