The Bitter Fruits of Apostacy

[_Gazelam]

Dancer,

Wow! I'm not sure if I am a really poor communicator or if you don't want to or can't see the point.

I see it, I just don't agree with your conclusion in regards to your statement.

The only reason you think the HG exists is because you were born into a religion that taught you this.

The current number of Christians as of a 1997 count numbered 1,900,000,000. That is not counting Jewish and other faiths who share a belief in the Holy Ghost. I'm in good company when you lump that number in with the ancient believers who followed the prophets.

Anyone can make up anything, doesn't mean it is truth.

True. How do you define truth in relation to God? What is it exactly that you believe?

OMG Gaz! You think you are the only one who listens? Can you see how arrogant this is?

Mat. 7:29

To be honest, I think those who rigidly hold to their beliefs, who hold elitist views, who must continue to to hold their beliefs at all costs, who can't allow for deeper understanding, expanded awareness, and a more enlightened world view are the ones who don't listen.

Im always ready and willing to learn. You have yet to share anything other than a desire to love others, which lesson I have taken to heart and am working on.

[_Gazelam]

Roger,

I wonder why you seem so bitter to your Sister that you come near, "...cutting her off..."?

My sister is evil. She has constantly sought since childhood to surround herself with misery and drama, this despite in every case someone being there to tell her not to do this or that. She was brought up in the best enviorment, with parents who worked hard and loved one another and loved her. She stole my parents car at 14, hung out with the worst friends, found a hoodlum for a boyfriend and husband ( The best man wore a potleaf patterned shirt to the wedding, while the groom wore a football jersey). She went through cars and homes that my parents co-signed for, traded some of the vehicles given to her for drugs, locked the kids out to sleep in the driveway so she could do drugs and party, slept with strangers for their drugs (i believe the term is allowing oneself to be "doubleteamed"). The list goes on.

I 'm only sharing the stories I hear from my parents and brothers. I'm sure therss many other stories I don't even want to know about. At least shes seperated herself from her former husband, who know has kids with a new girl that they sell on the black market. I think they have sold three of their children at this point.

I know at some point God will require me to forgive her, but at this point I savor the thought of her rotting in hell for all eternity. I can only weep for her poor children who have had to live through all of this. They all hate her and can't wait to get away from her, and cry when they have to leave my parents to go back to her house. She lives in Illinois.

Do you have ideas of why your Bro & Sis became inactive?

My sister is innactive because she is the spawn of Satan. My brother#1 joined the marines after high school and is an atheist. His wife is extremely liberal and has no faith. Bro #2 served half a mission then had a falling out with his mission president and Bishop. (Both priesthood leaders were in the wrong) He just never got over it. His wife has expressed a genuine interest in coming to church and he forbid it. Bro# 3 got married to a girl who has trouble shaping her faith and hes horribly whipped when it comes to her. Serious issues there in regards to being her little puppet. Bro. 4 is stil young and is drifting. He has yet to establish a solid testimony. Hes married to a girl who I don't believe understands the concept of modesty. (Also does not understand that clothes have weight limits and after a certain size should not be worn)

What is "mild encouragement?"

Parents make sure prayers are said at family dinners. Invite them to church activities. Take grandkids to church. Encourage religious activities.. etc..

[_Gazelam]

Harmony,

This is also baloney. So men have nothing to do with creating a spiritual environment in the home? They're just sperm donors, becaues they have more important... priesthood kind of stuff... things to do. Right.

How many men do you know who are in charge of the decor in the Home? Who is more responsible for the general atmosphere in a home, the husband or the wife? Of coarse the man is a nurturer as well as the Mother, but in most homes the dad is away working for who knows how many hours a day, and the mom is doing the homemaking.

[_Gazelam]

Ray and Ludwig,

I don't hate my sister for her apostacy, I hate her for being a crackwhore and bringing nothign but misery and death to those she comes in contact with.

[_Ray A]

Ray and Ludwig,

I don't hate my sister for her apostacy, I hate her for being a crackwhore and bringing nothign but misery and death to those she comes in contact with.

Well perhaps you could learn a lesson from D&C 64, Gaz:

10 I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.

You have no excuse. If Mormonism or Christianity is going to rise above "the world", then the fruits should show forth. As it stands, you are no different than anyone who judges others:

...but at this point I savor the thought of her rotting in hell for all eternity.

You "savor" it? That just about tells me everything, Gaz.

[_Gazelam]

Ray,

Your absolutly right. I just haven't gotten to that point.

Ill put her on the list with Adolf Hitler, John Wayne Gacy, and the Gary Ridgway. Im gonna have to forgive them also before I can get into heaven.

Gaz

[_Ray A]

Ill put her on the list with Adolf Hitler, John Wayne Gacy, and the Gary Ridgway. Im gonna have to forgive them also before I can get into heaven.

It just shows how warped your thinking is. Placing your sister in the same category as Adolf Hitler, and mass murderers.

What you need a a good dose of apostasy from Mormonism, because that religion is screwing your brain.

[_Ray A]

Incidentally, Gaz, what would you call Joseph Smith? A "crackwhore Prophet"? Lusting after other men's wives? Ah, but he was "commanded by God". Your sister wasn't. That's the "crucial" difference.

[_harmony]

...but at this point I savor the thought of her rotting in hell for all eternity.

Um... Gaz? Mormons don't believe in hell.

Just sayin'.

[_harmony]

Ray and Ludwig,

I don't hate my sister for her apostacy, I hate her for being a crackwhore and bringing nothign but misery and death to those she comes in contact with.

Do you hate her for being a crack addict (lots of crack addicts in the world... do you hate them all?), or do you hate her for being your sister... and being a crack addict? (only one of those)

No wonder you cling so tightly to the church. If it works for you, then keep on doing what you're doing.

There is no magic bullet that keeps our children safe. We can only do the best we can, and hope for the best... and even then, some of them are likely to cause us unmeasured grief. I know I caused my own parents unmeasured grief when I was young... I joined the Mormon church.