Our newest member, Wayneman: Shades' missionary companion??

[_Nightingale]

Anyway, next time harmony starts wielding her cattle prod at Daniel Peterson, maybe we can discuss her propensity for violence.

How on earth did I miss the comment above?

Oh my. Harmony has threatened me with violence. She's contemplating doing me harm. Oh oh oh.

I think I can extract paranoid fantasies from this for months, at the very minimum.

How gratifying! How richly soul-satisfying!

Two points, just to be perfectly clear for all readers, especially if they haven't waded through this entire thread or have forgotten something from pages back, my remark quoted above was a joke, as you can see in the original:

1.

NG:
"... next time harmony starts wielding her cattle prod at Daniel Peterson, maybe we can discuss her propensity for violence. {Jenn Kamp}"

The {Jenn Kamp} notation makes it clear.

2.

The second point is that DCP is joking too, or using irony or sarcasm - take your pick.

I don't want my comments to be misunderstood.

On another note, I see that I unintentionally wandered into the middle of an ongoing feud between a few parties. I'm not really aware of all the history, sides, issues, etc. I was primarily interested in the language question some pages back. I'll bow out of it now.

[_Yoda]

I just have to say this. This board (these exchanges and exchanges on another thread I've been reading) has the most negative effect on me to the point of toxicity. I've been known to engage in a battle or two (hundred) on boards but quite frankly, I cannot understand how or why people can be so consistently rude, snide and biting to each other on a daily basis. Or why anyone would want to spend so much time doing it.

The fact that I've spent time reading it and joining it, is just unreal.

I understand disagreements over various issues but for some people around here, it's just chronic.

And depressing.

I tried to draw attention to common ground here and it just doesn't work to forward a discussion. The truth is (I think) is that not many want to forward a discussion or increase understanding.

Geez.

I think that you and I were on the same wavelength as far as common ground was concerned. Also, Harmony brought out something significant as well. She said that we are more alike than different. I think that is very true.

My comments about Marg partying were not meant to be catty. I was just teasing....much along the same lines as you saying "I wish I was going out, too."

I think I am actually beginning to understand Marg's perspective. She was drawn into studying about Mormonism from a friend of hers who was Mormon. Her own personal views have always been very strongly atheistic. It seems to me that her disagreement is really in any type of belief of higher power. She just doesn't see the logic or need for it.

I think that we could actually start a rather interesting discussion involving characteristics of cults an religions if everyone can be on board to be open about it, and not approach it in a condemning way.

I'll start a new thread, and carry over some of the cult discussion from this thread.

[_Yoda]

OK, guys....all comments regarding Mormonism and how it is possibly a cult has been moved to this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8596

[_marg]

My comments about Marg partying were not meant to be catty. I was just teasing....much along the same lines as you saying "I wish I was going out, too."

Did you delete them? I didn't read anything catty.

I think I am actually beginning to understand Marg's perspective. She was drawn into studying about Mormonism from a friend of hers who was Mormon.

I only knew them on the Net, well actually I did end up meeting them in person one time.

Her own personal views have always been very strongly atheistic.

I didn't think of myself as an an atheist until participating on the Net in religious discussions. I would think of myself and still do as having a strong naturalistic view devoid of organized religious indoctrination.

It seems to me that her disagreement is really in any type of belief of higher power. She just doesn't see the logic or need for it.

No. My disagreement is in a number of things, but not in what you think "belief of a higher power".

I dislike the negative judgmental attitude religion seems to have influenced religious individuals to have against others who don't share their similar beliefs. When it comes to their attitude about atheism for example they often think atheists are morally deficient. That somehow having a God belief translates into having good moral values. I find that attitude is so pervasive with Mormons, based on my observations of discussions on the Net. I disagree with the indoctrination process employed by many religions which start from an early age. I disagree with lies perpetrated by religions, in Mormonism's case that the Book of Mormon is historical, that it is sacred, that somehow a supreme entity had its hand in its making. I don't agree with religious organizations getting involved politically, in getting involved with suppressing the scientific educational programs in schools. So those are some examples of what I take issue with, but having a belief in a supreme entity per se I have no negative thoughts of. It's the belief in a God which interferes with mankind and favors particular groups, and how that influences people's attitudes I might take issue with. Mormons are very much manipulated and controlled by their authority, believe in lies perpetrated by the Church, that sort of thing I take issue with.

I think that we could actually start a rather interesting discussion involving characteristics of cults an religions if everyone can be on board to be open about it, and not approach it in a condemning way.

I'll start a new thread, and carry over some of the cult discussion from this thread.

I'll take a look.

[_Yoda]

Thanks for responding, Marg.

Sorry for all the confusion. Since this thread has kind of wrapped around with a zillion different topics, I moved the cult discussion to this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8596&p=224552#p224552

I will respond to you there.

[_harmony]

. I find that attitude is so pervasive with Mormons, based on my observations of discussions on the Net.

You mean the only Mormons you "know" are the ones on the internet? Ummm... marg, there are 13 million Mormons. You might want to meet some of the ones who inhabit your own part of the world before you judge all of us by the various sides that are represented on the internet.

I disagree with the indoctrination process employed by many religions which start from an early age.

So, you disagree with allowing parent to teach their children the values they cherish. Yeah, that's gotta bite, when no one listens to you.

I disagree with lies perpetrated by religions, in Mormonism's case that the Book of Mormon is historical, that it is sacred, that somehow a supreme entity had its hand in its making.

Gee, no one acknowledges that you're a superior being, far above all the rest of us mere mortals. Sucks to be you, I agree.

I don't agree with religious organizations getting involved politically, in getting involved with suppressing the scientific educational programs in schools.

I've had 8 kids in the public school system, I have a daughter who teaches in the public school system, and I have yet to see any church with enough power to suppress or even influence the scientific curriculum. Granted, I live in a liberal state, and maybe in the deep South there's that kind of influence, but I don't see it as pervasive across the country.

So those are some examples of what I take issue with, but having a belief in a supreme entity per se I have no negative thoughts of. It's the belief in a God which interferes with mankind and favors particular groups, and how that influences people's attitudes I might take issue with.

You think it's okay to believe in God, so long as he doesn't interfere with mankind or play favorites?

Mormons are very much manipulated and controlled by their authority, believe in lies perpetrated by the Church, that sort of thing I take issue with.

Well, geez, are you an equal opportunity authority hater? Because Catholics (at least believing Catholics) bow to authority much more than we poor Mormons do. At least we don't have to attend daily Mass.

[_Gazelam]

Anyway, next time harmony starts wielding her cattle prod at Daniel Peterson, maybe we can discuss her propensity for violence.

How on earth did I miss the comment above?

Oh my. Harmony has threatened me with violence. She's contemplating doing me harm. Oh oh oh.

I think I can extract paranoid fantasies from this for months, at the very minimum.

How gratifying! How richly soul-satisfying!

don't antagonize her Dan. She has stated previouly that she has a robot, and is not afraid to use him.

[_marg]

. I find that attitude is so pervasive with Mormons, based on my observations of discussions on the Net.

You mean the only Mormons you "know" are the ones on the internet? Ummm... marg, there are 13 million Mormons. You might want to meet some of the ones who inhabit your own part of the world before you judge all of us by the various sides that are represented on the internet.

Without going back because I've written quite a few post, I'm assuming I was referring to the attitude that a religous individual holds of moral superiority as long as they abide by the rules of the church over those outside their group.

It is so pervasive on the net..that it is rare and far between to find a religious individual who doesn't think that way.

I disagree with the indoctrination process employed by many religions which start from an early age.

So, you disagree with allowing parent to teach their children the values they cherish. Yeah, that's gotta bite, when no one listens to you.

Just because people think they are teaching good values, does not mean they do or even know what good values are. But the indoctrination process is not so much about teaching values, it's about getting people to accept really strange ideas that if they were an adult with the ability to critically think they would never do so.

I disagree with lies perpetrated by religions, in Mormonism's case that the Book of Mormon is historical, that it is sacred, that somehow a supreme entity had its hand in its making.

Gee, no one acknowledges that you're a superior being, far above all the rest of us mere mortals. Sucks to be you, I agree.

I think it sucks to be you Harmony. You are caught up in a religious maze of nonsense.

I don't agree with religious organizations getting involved politically, in getting involved with suppressing the scientific educational programs in schools.

I've had 8 kids in the public school system, I have a daughter who teaches in the public school system, and I have yet to see any church with enough power to suppress or even influence the scientific curriculum. Granted, I live in a liberal state, and maybe in the deep South there's that kind of influence, but I don't see it as pervasive across the country.

Were in not for organization fighting to keep church out of schools, to keep science free of religious dogma...the schools would be teacing intelligent design as science and evolution would be disgarded. It's a constant battle.

So those are some examples of what I take issue with, but having a belief in a supreme entity per se I have no negative thoughts of. It's the belief in a God which interferes with mankind and favors particular groups, and how that influences people's attitudes I might take issue with.

You think it's okay to believe in God, so long as he doesn't interfere with mankind or play favorites?

It's the belief in an interfering with mankind sort of God which creates problems, which is resource consuming.

Mormons are very much manipulated and controlled by their authority, believe in lies perpetrated by the Church, that sort of thing I take issue with.

Well, geez, are you an equal opportunity authority hater?

Sure an equal opportunity critical evaluator.

Because Catholics (at least believing Catholics) bow to authority much more than we poor Mormons do. At least we don't have to attend daily Mass.

I've never heard of Catholics attending daily mass. They might I don't know, haven't spent much time looking into Catholicism.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I just have to say this. This board (these exchanges and exchanges on another thread I've been reading) has the most negative effect on me to the point of toxicity. I've been known to engage in a battle or two (hundred) on boards but quite frankly, I cannot understand how or why people can be so consistently rude, snide and biting to each other on a daily basis. Or why anyone would want to spend so much time doing it.

The fact that I've spent time reading it and joining it, is just unreal.

I understand disagreements over various issues but for some people around here, it's just chronic.

And depressing.

I tried to draw attention to common ground here and it just doesn't work to forward a discussion. The truth is (I think) is that not many want to forward a discussion or increase understanding.

Geez.

Excellent observations.

Incidentally, my comments about Harmony's propensity toward violence weren't really aimed at Harmony. They were, of course, aimed at Scratch.

[_Nightingale]

Erased. Expunged. Deleted.

Comment without value. Sorry.