Apostacy big winner at oscars

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

You seem to want to equate this behavior with that of a racial issue, like homosexuality is a birthright. Very sick.

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Maybe it should be a birthright. Many gays know they are gay at a very young age. And what "values" are these children taught in the church at a very young age? Anything that would be helpful for these children? I've been hearing my RM nephews making nasty comments about gays for the past 15 years now. IF they didn't learn it in church, they certainly didn't learn any better in church either. What would a fledgling gay child be learning? To be ashamed, to pretend, that he will never be accepted for what he really is by the Mormon community unless he lives a lie? Please, what are these values little Mormons learn at a very young age these days?

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

Harvey Milk was, indeed, a worthless pos and a waste of a human life. Dan White was a hero before he shot Moscone and Milk. By way of contrast, Milk was a nothing.

Well, hi there, you little cockroach with pelagra or whatever. And you're still so very, very wrong about everything. Love, L. McE.

[_Chap]

We should all feel grateful to Gazelam for reminding us of the great gulf that separates the wheat like him from mere chaff like the rest of us.

Truly, as his title implies, he is a light-bearer who illuminates for the non-LDS world the comforting truth that most of us out here are entirely inappropriate material for making Latter-Day Saints out of.

[_truth dancer]

Wow, just when I think I have seen the worse of the worst, it gets worse!

Gaz,

Do you know the scripture about "inasmuch as you do unto the least of these thy brethren ye have done it unto myself"? Anything ring a bell here?

So, if you think gays and lesbians are the most horrible perverted creatures on the earth, (the least), would you say such things to Jesus Christ? You do know you are doing as much right?

It is so odd for most of us to listen to your hate filled, outrageously cruel rhetoric, yet you seem unable to realize that your hatred and cruelty are about you, not anyone else. You do not seem to realize that you and your disgusting elitism and bloodthirstiness create the problems in our world.

It is truly amazing.

Does it even occur to you to step back and at least try to be a decent human being? Or maybe make an attempt to let go of your hatred and viciousness?

No, I didn't think so.

Seriously disturbing Gaz.

[_solomarineris]

In his acceptance speech, screenplay winner Dustin Black stated:

"When I was 13 years old my beautiful mother and my father moved me from a conservative Mormon home in San Antonio, Texas, to California, and I heard the story of Harvey Milk and it gave me hope. It gave me the hope to live my life."

Says alot I think of a lowlife who would put forth so much effort to idolize a moral degenerate. This is a man who took all of the moral teachings made available to him and turned on them by creating a film that championed moral apathy.

He topped off his speech with this gem:

Most of all, if Harvey had not been taken from us 30 years ago, I think he’d want me to say to all of the gay and lesbian kids out there tonight who have been told they are less than by their churches, or by the government, or by their families, that you are beautiful, wonderful creatures of value. And that no matter what everyone tells you, God does love you, and that very soon, I promise you, you will have equal rights federally across this great nation of ours.

This clueless sack of garbage, this walking fecal homonculus, not only supports teen homosexuality, he encourages it and tells them to keep hope that they will be accepted !! As if they should be exploring their sexuality to begin with!!

The toilet continues to swirl. People like this are amazing. You just have to shake your head and tilt it to the side ponderously, "How can you think this way?" Especially having been brought up in an enviorment that instructed him on what was right and true.
Gaz

I understand it hurts. What can you do?
The past is catching up to CULT and homophobes like you.
The funny thing is Jeesus ain't coming anytime soon to send those abominable fags/lesbians
to hell.
So, from whatever angle you look at, you are screwed.

[_Jason Bourne]

Gaz

I have a question for you

What would you do is one of the finest young men of your ward came to you and his YM pres of bishop and said he was struggling with homosexual feelings. He is 16 going on 17. Sings, dances, is into theater, straight A kid, never done anything wrong in a big way, girls like him, he is handsome, speaks two foreign languages, etc.

What would you do? If he is active LDS in a staunch family he knows that if he acts on these feelings his life is going to EXPLODE! Do you think he is choosing this, that he just wants to be sinful?

A situation like this has persuaded me that for most sexual preference is not a choice.

So how would you council him? Would you do it like you did in your OP?

[_Jason Bourne]

Well Jason and Harmony, have you got anything to say to Gaz?
Is he correct in his interpretation of LDS teachings of what is wrong and right when it comes to homosexuality? Or is Gaz out to lunch and misunderstanding your Church's position?

Here is what I would say:

Gaz, while the gospel you believe does call any sexual activity outside of marriage a sin your response toward homosexuals is over the top and not even in line with what you spew out here.

You are far to pious, indeed perilously pious in your sweeping condemnation. It is not for you to judge. Remember with the same judgment with which you judge you will be judged.

Jesus hated sin but loved the sinner. Do you Gaz? What does your church teach about loving the sinner. The LDS position on homosexuality is not to condemn them. They are welcome to be members of the Church. They are expected to obey the law of chastity like any other member. It is though quite a conundrum for an gay person to be LDS because they can never marry or have a physical intimate act with a person they are attracted to or love.

in my opinion it is an almost no win in the LDS Church for someone who truly is homosexual.

So yea Gaz, you are over the top here even for the LDS Church.

[_harmony]

Well Jason and Harmony, have you got anything to say to Gaz? Is he correct in his interpretation of LDS teachings of what is wrong and right when it comes to homosexuality? Or is Gaz out to lunch and misunderstanding your Church's position?

I haven't seen the movie, so can only comment on a general concept:

1. no one deserves to be killed because of their sexual orientation.

2. no one deserves to be marginalized, ostracized, shunned, deprived of family love and support, or be discriminated against due to their sexual orientation.

And Gaz knows he's not in compliance with the gospel. He's just ranting.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Fortunately for Dustin Black, his Mormon mother was not like Gazelam. This is what he said about his mom:

You know, she always, you know, she just says, "I can't believe we are here. Think of where we came from." You know, we were, like, a broke family. It was just my single mom raising us for a very long time before my beautiful stepdad came around, and, you know, and it was just about survival for so long. So, I think for her, she's completely overwhelmed and, you know, and she just does what she always does. I mean, this is a Mormon woman who should not be accepting or loving, and she just says I love you, and I want you to fall in love and be as happy as I am, so...

I think TBMs will follow the church teachings regarding homosexuals and carry around tough attitudes like Gaz has until their child turns out to be gay. At that point a parent must choose between their church leaders and their child, and most normal people will choose their child, just as Dustin Black's mom did. And it looks like she is still a Mormon.

[_harmony]

I think TBMs will follow the church teachings regarding homosexuals and carry around tough attitudes like Gaz has until their child turns out to be gay. At that point a parent must choose between their church leaders and their child, and most normal people will choose their child, just as Dustin Black's mom did. And it looks like she is still a Mormon.

Unfortunately, altogether too many choose church leaders instead of the child. We don't do "loving and accepting" very well in the church. And those who choose their children are shunned. And those who love and accept their gay children, and who advocate for changes in policy within the church are just asking to be hauled into the bishop's office. Excommunication isn't off the table, for the parents or the gay child.