Apostacy big winner at oscars

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Gaz, you may also want to read D&C 64:9-11:
9 Wherefore, I say unto you, that ye ought to forgive one another; for he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin.
10 I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.

11 And ye ought to say in your hearts—let God judge between me and thee, and reward thee according to thy deeds.


Bold emphasis mine.
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liz3564 wrote:Gaz, you may also want to read D&C 64:9-11:
9 Wherefore, I say unto you, that ye ought to forgive one another; for he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin.
10 I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men.

11 And ye ought to say in your hearts—let God judge between me and thee, and reward thee according to thy deeds.


Bold emphasis mine.


I have no problem forgiving a repentant individual.

But when someone is actively encouraging others to be degenerate, what then? Do I shrug my shoulders and say "Yer so silly?", followed with a nice grin?
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:
I have no problem forgiving a repentant individual.

But when someone is actively encouraging others to be degenerate, what then? Do I shrug my shoulders and say "Yer so silly?", followed with a nice grin?



Pssst....Gaz? It's your delivery.
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Jason Bourne wrote:
Unfortunately, altogether too many choose church leaders instead of the child. We don't do "loving and accepting" very well in the church. And those who choose their children are shunned. And those who love and accept their gay children, and who advocate for changes in policy within the church are just asking to be hauled into the bishop's office. Excommunication isn't off the table, for the parents or the gay child.


You think a parent that is supportive and loving towards a gay child will get church discipline?


I bolded the applicable part, Jason. And I didn't say they'd get ex'ed or disciplined; I said they'd get hauled into the bishop's office. However, church discipline is not off the table, for either the parents or the gay child, if the parents are vocal or advocating for a change in policy. (The Brethren appear to not like to have their feet held to the media fire...)
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Jersey Girl wrote:Pssst....Gaz? It's your delivery.


No, what Gaz should do is remember his Alma 29:1... and Alma 29:2... and remember that not only does he have no stewardship, it's not his job to cry repentence to anyone... at all. And that includes people who choose to act upon their homosexual impulses (whatever they may be).

Sorry, Gaz. You're not in a position to call anyone to repentence.
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Gazelam wrote:
The Dude wrote:Fecal homunculus <-- that's a real gem, Gz.


I try


Gaz, I think you are refined to the point where you could host your own conservative talk radio show! I think you would be a hit with conservative audiences - you speak their language. Maybe even have Droopy and Bcspace making guest commentator appearances.
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Gaz,

I have no problem forgiving a repentant individual.


Where does Jesus say you are only commanded to forgive those who repent? (Hint... ALL people means, all people).

You want to pretend you don't have to forgive because you like holding on to your hatred and cruelty.

Let it go. Seriously, it is only hurting you and perhaps rubbing off on those you associate with.

More to the point, why do you think you are in a place to even ask or require forgiveness from others who have done nothing to you at all?

It is like me demanding you repent of your cruelty, and thinking I am in a place to forgive you.

Do you seriously think you are God? This is nuts Gaz. :twisted: Look at yourself. Really Gaz, look at what you have become.

In addition, forgiving is completely different than having care and charity.

You like to pretend you know the scriptures but you seem to completely ignore the really important scriptures. Remember the ones about having charity and tinkling brass?

But when someone is actively encouraging others to be degenerate, what then? Do I shrug my shoulders and say "Yer so silly?", followed with a nice grin?


In what world do you live, and who is actively encouraging others to be degenerate?

Hmmm... I would answer whatever is giving you reasons to hold on to your savagery and ferocity is that which is encouraging the ugliness and harm in this world.

Mok... actually as extreme and ridiculous some of those right wing radio guys are, I don't even think they would agree with Gaz. I think he appeals more to the KKK type. :evil:
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JohnStuartMill wrote:
Gazelam wrote:In his acceptance speech, screenplay winner
Says alot I think of a lowlife who would put forth so much effort to idolize a moral degenerate. This is a man who took all of the moral teachings made available to him and turned on them by creating a film that championed moral apathy.

How is fighting for the rights of sexual minorities synonymous with moral apathy? Moral apathy would require a screenplay that championed nothing, you halfwit.


Half? Really half? You are far more generous than I am.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably.
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I posted this for Droopy, but now I believe it was written just for you, Gaz:

We're so uninspired, so sick and tired of all the hatred you harbor.

*Link contains well deserved profanity, but it's not remotely as offensive as Gaz's bigotry.*

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Gazelam wrote:
I would tell the kid to get a new hobby. These "art" groups, such as theatre, are full of homosexuals. Theres plenty of other ways someone with those talents can express themselves without spending inordiante amounts of time with men who enjoy "expressing themselves".

Theres no way he "just started feeling this way". Something was introduced to him, something presented itself to him that told him this lifestyle was an option. He needs to change his enviorment and seperate himself from those who are influencing him.

Homosexuality is a choice. No one is born that way.


Ha ha. Gaz sounds like an SNL parody character. You're the church lady, Gaz. Maybe the church leadership should discourage all young people from participating in Art and Theater groups. Obviously, since people aren't born gay, It's "hobbies" like these that turn good straight Mormons gay. This must be why there are so few artists within Mormonism. They're afraid they'll turn gay.
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