Apostacy big winner at oscars

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Jersey Girl wrote:Stop making baseless assertions and claims. As I recall, you asked if I had read the Book of Mormon. Then you asserted that I had not read the Book of Mormon yet had been commenting on Mormon related boards. Now you're asking me if I've read the Book of Mormon cover to cover.

Pick a bloody spot and land on it and stop moving the goal posts.


Okay, I'll be specific. You tell me how much of the Book of Mormon you've read, and I promise to only ask you about those sections, just to see how much you really know.
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Here is what you stated to marg:

Ray A wrote:How many apologetic books have you read? And how many on Mormonism? If you haven't read any, then you should NOT be commenting on Mormon-related forums.



Do you stand by that comment?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Do you stand by that comment?


I do. I want to know how many apologetic books marg has read. In fact, I also want to know how many you have read.

List them.
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Ray A wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Do you stand by that comment?


I do. I want to know how many apologetic books marg has read. In fact, I also want to know how many you have read.

List them.


Is there any part of you that can maintain your focus? You stated that unless marg had read apologetic books that she shouldn't be commenting on Mormon related boards.

Do you also think that Moniker shouldn't be commenting on Mormon related boards?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Do you also think that Moniker shouldn't be commenting on Mormon related boards?


Heavens to murgatroid!!!!

Did Moniker ever tell me I shouldn't be commenting on the Spalding thread?
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Ray A wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Do you also think that Moniker shouldn't be commenting on Mormon related boards?


Heavens to murgatroid!!!!

Did Moniker ever tell me I shouldn't be commenting on the Spalding thread?


Who gives a damn if Moniker told you that you shouldn't be commenting on the Spalding thread?

You presented your criteria for commenting on Mormon related boards.

Either it is or it isn't.

Otherwise you're presenting yourself as one who has no standards at all and is simply functioning via a case of the ass for one poster and whose sole interest is in fueling a feud.
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Let me try saying that a different way, just so you're clear on what I'm laying out here.

Ray,

Unless your "standard" applies across the board, you're simply acting on your own bias regarding marg and nothing more. That is to say, it represents no standard at all.

It's simply a pissing contest for you.

You're asking marg and myself to respond to your personal pissing contest. That's what you're exchanges have been about for the last few pages.

And somehow you expect me to take you seriously when what you're about is a pissing contest.

Not truth. Not standards. Not intellectual honesty.

A pissing contest.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Otherwise you're presenting yourself as one who has no standards at all and is simply functioning via a case of the ass for one poster and whose sole interest is in fueling a feud.


Pot, meet kettle.

I am simply responding to marg's claims and charges. Now, clear your brain with some tissues. Or whatever you use. marg ask me to stop commenting on the Spalding thread with what she considered "irrelevant". Irrelevant because I refused to ride your's and marg's hobby horse.

As for "fueling a feud", you and marg have been the two foremost feuding posters on this board. And you both tried to control the Spalding thread.

My educated guess is that Craig Criddle would hang his head in shame at your bias.

I respect Dale. I like Byron, and my empathy for what he has been through, personally, pains me. Yet I cannot let that stop the debate.

You and marg, I'm afraid I can only view as destructive to this debate.
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So Ray I see you have avoided answering my questions re Debono, be honest you've never read anything he's written.

Ray A wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:That the Book of Mormon is "foundational scripture" has little if anything to do with your charge that marg not having read it is in no position to comment on "what Mormon's believe". Likewise your assertion that marg shouldn't be commenting on Mormon related boards unless she has read apologetic books, etc.


And likewise neither you nor marg should be commenting on my posts on the Spalding thread.


And why is that RAy, why shoudl I not comment on ridiculous questions that shows how poorly you critically think? No theory has conclusive proof for who wrote the Book of Mormon so you can not dismiss the S/R theory on that, nor does lack of conclusive evidence mean no theory is a good strong theory.

It is obvious you don't critical think well, as Byron noticed you don't comprehend well what you do read, and you know very little regarding the S/R theory, plus your posts don't add anything of value when you give your ignorant opinion. How many friggin times do you need to write a post saying you don't accept the S/R theory. That requires no knowledge, no critical thinking whatsoever.

You have not read the Book of Mormon, yet how many years have you been commenting on Mormon-related boards without knowing squat about the Book of Mormon, nor having ever read it?


I realize you are addressing this to J.G. I have read portions, I have read outlines of how it is constructed which was written by Mormons. I have read many discussions on it. I have read portions especially when they relate to a a discussion I'm reading.

As far as the Spalding theory goes you know squat. You've made no decent attempt to learn.


So don't get on your high horse like marg while both of you act the hypocrite, having not read Vanick. That marg can quote a footnote doesn't mean she's read it, any more than I have.


If the issue here is about honesty I've answered your questions regarding Vanick's book. I read it about 4 years ago. In the last few weeks I started to read it again. I've had discussions about it previously on message boards and with you and I remember at the time you promised to read it, so Shades sent it to you. It's very rude for you to keep insisting I haven't read it, when I have answered your questions and it's not like this is the first time I've ever mentioned that book. I obviously have the book so why wouldn't I read it, if it's a topic that interests me.

by the way I do not comment on the Book of Mormon unless it is something I do in fact have knowledge of. One can appreciate a book is written in King James english by verification without reading the entire book. One can discuss DNA evidence of Am Indians without reading the Book of Mormon. One can appreciate time line of events again without reading entire book. Can appreciate where characters travelled from, what groups traveled and when to America without reading entire book, things such as all nephites die except one without reading entire book and the list goes on. One can evaluate Book of Mormon witness claims without reading book, can evaluate spalding witness statements without reading Book of Mormon.

I am selective on what books I do read. And up until now I've always had better books to spend my time on.

Now if I was to ever wish to understand the wordprint study and perhaps discuss it, I would read the Book of Mormon, I think it's necessary in that case.

by the way, one can also appreciate that things which defy natural physical laws are extraordinary, and unlikely to happen. Therefore they require extraordinary evidence to warrant acceptance. So one can appreciate that just because a few people closely connected claim a seer stone which glowed words does not warrant acceptance. The burden of proof is for them or whoever wishes to be taken seriously for such claims to provide strong evidence. And same goes with claims of angels, gold plates which get taken away by an angel, dead men which are able to come back to life, travel and speak to people. Those sorts of claims should be rejected unless the evidence to support warrants acceptance. So again one doesn't need to read Book of Mormon to evaluate the evidence for these claims.
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Ray A wrote:
Pot, meet kettle.

I am simply responding to marg's claims and charges. Now, clear your brain with some tissues. Or whatever you use. marg ask me to stop commenting on the Spalding thread with what she considered "irrelevant". Irrelevant because I refused to ride your's and marg's hobby horse.

As for "fueling a feud", you and marg have been the two foremost feuding posters on this board. And you both tried to control the Spalding thread.

My educated guess is that Craig Criddle would hang his head in shame at your bias.

I respect Dale. I like Byron, and my empathy for what he has been through, personally, pains me. Yet I cannot let that stop the debate.

You and marg, I'm afraid I can only view as destructive to this debate.


Once again, you demonstrate that you're not about:

Integrity
Intellectual Honesty
Standards or
Honor.

You are about a pissing contest.

You've made a hobby out of accusing marg of bias on this board for more than a month when what you're doing here is acting on your own bias. You demanded repeatedly on this thread alone that she cease derailments while you yourself engaged in derailment. You expressed two sets of standards which you admit that you apply subjectively only to marg.

In my work, we look at functions of behaviors. What profit there is to a person in the behaviors they present, especially when behaviors manifest themselves in obvious patterns.

The function of your behavior isn't to express standards. The one and only function of your behavior is to fuel a pissing contest that began between you and marg regarding NDE's that resulted in your charge against her as moderator for bias and continues to color all of your exchanges with her currently to this thread. The questions you have posed to marg and to a lesser extent, to myself, aren't in the interest of honest intellectual inquiry nor are they motivated by sincerity.

They are motivated by your personal frustrations with and growing bias against marg.

Nothing you've said in these recent exchanges can be taken as truth or honesty. Your so called standards are subject to change based on whomever appeals to you or frustrates you at any given point in time.

Your cries of bias have been out shouted by your own.
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