What do LDS generally believe about interracial marriage?

[_antishock8]

So, as recently as 30 years ago the Mormon church was openly discouraging interracial marriage?

I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with skin color and EVERYTHING to do with "culture".

Uh huh.

With the exception of the (racist) Priesthood ban (against Blacks), all other interracial marriages were under those conditions (as long as you weren't marrying a Black man). If you read Kimball and others in their entirety instead of culling inflammatory quotes then you'd know that.

Why don't you just come out and put this to rest by stating that racism has always been wrong, that the Church was wrong and uninspired, and leave it at that?

[_Dr. Shades]

The reason I've been silent is because there's been nothing more to add.

Just because Brigham Young didn't have the chance to obey "the law of God" doesn't mean he intended to ignore "the law of God."

[_truth dancer]

Hi Dan,

P.S. -- Am I to conclude, from the deafening silence on this point, that everybody agrees that Shades has failed to supply any evidence to support his claim that interracial marriage, as such, was punishable by death under Brigham Young

Nope. You are to conclude that Shades made a valid point and provided the appropriate resource to show he was indeed reporting accurately, and your desire for proof that white men were killed for hooking up with women who were "the seed of Cain", is not the point of this thread.

The point is, BY said this teaching/practice/doctrine/commandment was the "Law of God" and taught it as truth.

Simple as that.

Do you believe this teaching is the Law of God?

Do you believe BY?

If not, what do you think was going on?

And, a little side note, I find it silly when people compare ordinary, even extraordinary men to a prophet of God who is speaking for and in behalf of Jesus Christ, with the very power of God and with specific keys to administer His gospel.

I know, I know, my expectations are too high and all that!

[_Daniel Peterson]

The reason I've been silent is because there's been nothing more to add.

You could concede the by now obvious point that your demonstration that Brigham Young opposed a certain kind of interracial marriage in no way demonstrates that, under Brigham Young, all interracial marriages were punishable by death.

That's a serious charge to make. Especially in a casual manner when it's false.

Shades-Analogue: Jack hates music.

Fact-Checker: Evidence?

Shades-Analogue: Here's what Jack said: "I hate Britney Spears music."

Fact-Checker: That doesn't prove that Jack hates all music!

Shades-Analogue: Silence.

Fact-Checker: Where's the evidence that Jack hates all music?

Mob: Music is good! Jack's an idiot. Fact-Checker, don't you like music?

Fact-Checker: The quote supplied by Shades-Analogue doesn't prove that Jack hates all music.

Mob: Jack's a music-hating barbarian!

Fact-Checker: Shades-Analogue provided no evidence whatever to demonstrate that Jack hates all music. Instead, he just clammed up.

Shades-Analogue: I have nothing more to add.

Mob: Yippee! Shades-Analogue stands by his claim! He made a valid point! He wins! Jack hates all music! Jack's an idiot! Fact-Checker is an idiot! We love music!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Nope. You are to conclude that Shades made a valid point and provided the appropriate resource to show he was indeed reporting accurately

Literally unbelievable.

Is there any point at all for a rational human being to attempt to engage some of you people?

and your desire for proof that white men were killed for hooking up with women who were "the seed of Cain", is not the point of this thread.

Sigh.

I know, I know, my expectations are too high and all that!

Good grief.



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[_Daniel Peterson]

The reason I've been silent is because there's been nothing more to add.

You could concede the by now obvious point that your demonstration that Brigham Young opposed a certain kind of interracial marriage in no way demonstrates that, under Brigham Young, all interracial marriages were punishable by death.

That's a serious charge to make. Especially in a casual manner, when it's false.

Shades-Analogue: Jack hates music.

Fact-Checker: Evidence?

Shades-Analogue: Here's what Jack said: "I hate Britney Spears music."

Fact-Checker: That doesn't prove that Jack hates all music!

Shades-Analogue: Silence.

Fact-Checker: Where's the evidence that Jack hates all music?

Mob: Music is good! Jack's an idiot. Fact-Checker, don't you like music?

Fact-Checker: The quote supplied by Shades-Analogue doesn't prove that Jack hates all music.

Mob: Jack's a music-hating barbarian!

Fact-Checker: Shades-Analogue provided no evidence whatever to demonstrate that Jack hates all music. Instead, he just clammed up.

Shades-Analogue: I have nothing more to add.

Mob: Yippee! Shades-Analogue stands by his claim! He made a valid point! He wins! Jack hates all music! Jack's an idiot! Fact-Checker is an idiot! We love music!

[_JohnStuartMill]

Nobody cares about the difference between "Brigham Young endorsed a death penalty for interracial marriage" and "Brigham Young endorsed a death penalty for black/white interracial marriage" but you, Dan.

[_Sam Harris]

I am sorry Nehor, but I do not feel you are being practical. Rather, I feel that you're doing acrobatics to keep from criticizing your church. If you've seen fantastic examples of inter-cultural relationships working, then it is safe to assume that they CAN work...if people want them to badly enough.

No, love is not all that you need. An open mind helps a great deal, as well.

Strength in unity...yeah, so long as all the people who are unified are of the same race.

And might I add, that this attitude that you had is one of the largest reasons why I left the church, the idea that marrying me because I'm black will cause all sorts of problems. To be honest, I do not know how any self-respecting black person can be LDS. I know of many black LDS, but I did not wish to do the mental contortions that they did in order to remain LDS. Most of them came from difficult backgrounds and swear up and down that they'd be dead if not LDS. They have been lied to and told that only the LDS church is the "true" church, and because of this, they sacrifice a piece of themselves every sunday, rather than find a church home that will both challenge them as a person and accept them as a beautiful human being as well.

SO glad I walked away. I wish one of those fools would have said such nonesense to my face, rather than just run in fear or stare me down. I'd have been put through a court of love for kicking someone slam in the nuts on sunday.

[_Sam Harris]

To make it simple, if you want to know what LDS believe about interracial marriage, just look to their holy book.

2 Nephi 5:21 For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

Putting the priesthood ban aside, all you have to do is read the Book of Mormon.

I remember reading it, and the scriptures about "skins of blackness" with other members of color, and trying to explain that nonsense away. I can't believe I was so stupid.

[_Dr. Shades]

TO DANIEL PETERSON:

You are right. The passage I quoted refers only to marriage between black people and white people. Brigham Young did not make reference to marriage between other races.

Ergo, yes, there was only one brand of interracial marriage that he specifically said merited "death on the spot."