The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Ray A wrote:These categories are too simplistic. The definition attempts to make clear differences, when in real life the variety of beliefs among Mormons is far more complex

Precisely.

I love the idea of Joseph Fielding Smith as an "internet Mormon," by the way.

It would be difficult to choose a single example that would demonstrate more clearly the absurd (and Procrustean) character of Shades's excruciatingly simple-minded dichotomy.

Joseph Fielding Smith wasn't the only one who said that his teachings should be measured against the scriptural canon, and he didn't only say it to Eugene England. Both he and Harold B. Lee made similar comments on the topic, publicly. More than once. I don't have the time at the moment to find appropriate quotations, but I doubt that they will be difficult to locate.

It's transparently obvious that Shades uses his ridiculous dichotomy as a weapon with which he thinks he can beat the Church (and, of course, "apologists") -- and this is especially clear when, as he often has, he exits earth's atmosphere with such ludicrous hyperbole as "two entirely different churches," "two completely distinct faiths," and the like. Such nonsense simply cannot be taken seriously by any reasonable, fair-minded person, though I can easily understand its enthusiastic reception in certain other quarters.
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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Interesting...


Daniel Peterson wrote:
Ray A wrote:
These categories are too simplistic. The definition attempts to make clear differences, when in real life the variety of beliefs among Mormons is far more complex


Precisely.

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Yes, precisely—much like Bill Hamblin's simplistic questions posed to me about the BoAbr.

My best,

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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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No. Quite unlike those entirely reasonable questions.
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Hi Dan,

How so? (And please detail your specifics.)

Kind regards,

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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Yeah, good luck with that Brent.
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dartagnan wrote:Yeah, good luck with that Brent.

Read the questions.

I think they're reasonable.

That's specific.

Kevin's wish came true!
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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Hi Dan,

Your response to Kevin made me smile.

But in all seriousness, how do you see Bill Hamblin's questions as anything other than black-and-white simplicity? (And, again, please detail your specifics.)

Best wishes,

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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Brent, unless I'm much mistaken, you and I agreed some time back to avoid interacting with each other. So I think I'll leave it at that and just sit back to enjoy the accusations of cowardice that will inevitably come my way from my fans here.

Have a great evening.
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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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Hi Dan,

I don't recall such an agreement—but then again I'm almost your age, so who knows. Image

In any event, I'm sure our readers would appreciate a more detailed response.

My best,

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Re: The Many Faces of William J. Hamblin

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I merely wished to register my dissent.

I've done so, and am content.
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