Obama is an economic genius

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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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The Nehor wrote:If I want to blame a President, I blame both Bushs and Clinton. I don't believe that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were needed.



I pretty much agree with you on Iraq, However, I strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
We needed to go into Afghanistan.
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We don't have to want to. Socialist plans always fail anyway because they reduce freedom and democracy without exception and at some point,


Please state how your freedom has been compromised in the last six weeks.

Please state how democracy has been compromised in the last six weeks.

the leadership always recognizes that capitalism is the way to go as illustrated here. Some leaders make the realization, but their country is so messed up that chaging to capitalism (and hence, Democracy) is suicide. North Korea case in point.


What does North Korea have to do with anything concerning the United States and our new President?

The problem is momentum. Conservatives are defending freedom and Democracy because we love it.


Liberals love freedom and democracy too... so? (You sound like you have been listening to Rush...gag).

We know from history that it hard to change back once slick left wing mobsters are in power and control the media.


Are you suggesting the United States has had "slick left wing mobsters in power and control over the media"? Really?

Or are you suggesting our current President is a "slick left wing mobster controlling the media"?

Really BC, you need to start engaging in reality! :ugeek:
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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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Brackite wrote:
The Nehor wrote:If I want to blame a President, I blame both Bushs and Clinton. I don't believe that the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were needed.



I pretty much agree with you on Iraq, However, I strongly disagree with you on Afghanistan.
We needed to go into Afghanistan.


Why? Retribution?
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The Nehor wrote:
Why? Retribution?



Yeap, Pretty Much.
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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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truth dancer wrote:
We don't have to want to. Socialist plans always fail anyway because they reduce freedom and democracy without exception and at some point,


Please state how your freedom has been compromised in the last six weeks.
Our freedom was compromised last year as illustrated by the crude attacks on WGN-AM's Extension 720 program in Chicago by the Obama campaign. The comments by Democrats about reimposing the so-called Fairness Doctrine are ominous. Let's hope that the following is only an incorrect rumor.
On February 16, the American Spectator reported on senior FCC staff working for Commissioner Michael Copps holding meetings with advisers to House Energy and Commerce More.. Committee Chairman Henry Waxman to discuss ways the committee can create openings for the FCC to put in place a form of the “Fairness Doctrine” without actually calling it such. For Waxman and crew, however, radio talk is only the beginning.

According to the American Spectator:

Waxman is also interested, say sources, in looking at how the Internet is being used for content and free speech purposes. “It’s all about diversity in media,” says a House Energy staffer, familiar with the meetings. “Does one radio station or one station group control four of the five most powerful outlets in one community? Do four stations in one region carry Rush Limbaugh, and nothing else during the same time slot? Does one heavily trafficked Internet site present one side of an issue and not link to sites that present alternative views? These are some of the questions the chairman is thinking about right now, and we are going to have an FCC that will finally have the people in place to answer them.” (Emphasis added.)
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread438318/pg1
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Sam Harris wrote:I hope you never slip up on a word around people who will forget all your stellar qualities, while dwelling on that one incident.

Where were you when our last president was lying out of his butt so that he could take a Saddam trophy home to daddy?
Name a lie in this respect by GWB.

What about Obama's broken promises on the five day comment time before signing bills.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... signing-b/

And his promise about lobbyists:
That was then; this is now. President Obama has allowed seventeen exceptions to the no-lobbyist rule. And remember that “sunlight before signing” pledge, giving citizens enough time to read a bill — and offer their opinions on it — before it is signed into law? Well, that’s gone to the wayside, too.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-broken-promises-were-entirely-predictable/

And there's his lies about Rev. Wright. And there's his house purchase which stinks to high heaven.
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Brackite wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Why? Retribution?



Yeap, Pretty Much.


Strikes me as a crazy reason to go to war. I don't think terrorists are nearly as dangerous as we've made them out to be. Yeah, they took down some buildings. I was in favor of increasing precautions, watching the border, and even giving some increased surveillance powers to agencies in the government. I don't think hunting them down on the other side of the world and toppling governments is right, fiscally responsible, or smart.
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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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If the world were made up of people like me (30 something, educated, and able-bodied), then we should let the market fail and rebuild. Unfortunately the world is filled with retirees, the uneducated, the sick, etc.

I'm fine losing half the value of my assets (or even losing my home + all my savings) if it will help the overall market recover in a more healthy manner. I will recover. Not everyone is as lucky as I am.

I don't think it's fair that people who are not responsible for this mess are being hurt from it and cannot reasonably recover. I'm not responsible, but I can recover so I can take the hit. How can you recover your life savings when you're 70?
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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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Hi Asbestosman,

I'm right with you.

The problem with letting the market take care of itself, (besides the global implications that complicate matters), is that the ones who would suffer are the elderly, children, and disabled.

Strong, healthy young adults can manage, take some hits, and have time to rebound. Not so for the rest of the Country.

Thankfully most of us in this country are of the mindset that we don't want to see children starving on the streets, or the elderly in tents under bridges.

I'm grateful we live in a Country where most of us want to take care of those in need of care.

~td~
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Re: Obama is an economic genius

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Sam Harris wrote:Where were you when our last president was lying out of his butt so that he could take a Saddam trophy home to daddy?

"A Saddam trophy home to daddy." LOL, Sam! That's pretty good.

RichardMdBorn, regardless of the humorous way she phrased it, I think the essence of Sam Harris's question is a relevant one: If that's how you feel about Obama's comment, what are your feelings about the flood of similar comments from our last president? And did you cut him more, as much, or less slack than you just cut Obama, above?
The press has portrayed BHO as a genius. I live in a suburb of Chicago and have watched this guy since 2004 and can assure you that he's no genius. Off the teleprompter, he makes gaffe after gaffe.
Presidents have been using teleprompters for more than half a century, but none relied on them as extensively as Mr. Obama has so far. While presidents typically have used them for their most important speeches to the nation — an inauguration, a State of the Union or an Oval Office address — Mr. Obama uses them for everyday routine announcements, and even for the opening statement at his news conference.

He used them during a visit to a Caterpillar plant in Peoria, Ill. He used them to make brief remarks at the opening of his “fiscal responsibility summit.” He used them during a visit to the Interior Department to discuss endangered species, even as he recalled a visit to some national parks as an 11-year-old. “That was an experience I will never forget,” he said, reading from the teleprompter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/06/us/politics/06web-baker.html?_r=1&em

BHO regularly tries to peddle false alternatives. Thus, he asserted that the choice on the supposed stimulus package was either to vote for it or do nothing, which he falsely claimed was the Republican alternative
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