What do LDS generally believe about interracial marriage?

[_antishock8]

So, Mr. Peterson's "points" he made were:

1) BY did not put anyone to death for marrying a Black man.

2) BY's racism was ugly and problematic.

Well...

No one made the claim that BY put anyone to death for marrying a Black man. That "point" was a pointless red herring made in response to Dr. Shade's factual assertion that marrying a Black man under BY's regime was punishable by death.

punishable: liable to or deserving punishment; "punishable offenses"
penal: subject to punishment by law; "a penal offense"

As far as his second "point" goes, it still doesn't erase the FACT that Mr. Peterson ENDORSED BY's priesthood ban on Black men. He can claim that he has black friends, loves Africa, and listens to the Wu Tang Clan all day long, but it still doesn't erase the FACT that Mr. Peterson endorses racist policies by his church, and hasn't rejected the doctrines that made this kind of racist policy possible. That, my friend, is subtle racism. It allows the a White person to smile and be friendly toward a Black person, but internally he views the Black person as somehow lacking or deficient. Not equal.

I'm not sure how a Mormon, who holds the view that Blacks weren't as valiant in the pre-existence, or they were deserving of a curse with dark skin, or that god had good reasons to deny them the priesthood whild giving Whites this awesome power to heal, prophesy, lead, organize in His name, etc., can look at a Black person without perceiving him as less than an equal. These are deeply flawed and divisive doctrines that White people in the LDS church continue to possess. This is what a person like Mr. Peterson holds in his heart as true, god-ordained, and as such he SUSTAINS racist policies as evidenced by Mr. Peterson's own words. Got news for ya. That makes you racist.

It's sad.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Dr. Shade's factual assertion that marrying a Black man under BY's regime was punishable by death.

But that's not what Shades said.

internally he views the Black person as somehow lacking or deficient. Not equal.

Absolutely untrue, though I admire the sheer brazenness of the purported mind-reading.

I think even Scratch would be impressed.

Gotta go. The airport beckons.



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[_Yoda]

I'm not sure how a Mormon, who holds the view that Blacks weren't as valiant in the pre-existence, or they were deserving of a curse with dark skin, or that god had good reasons to deny them the priesthood whild giving Whites this awesome power to heal, prophesy, lead, organize in His name, etc., can look at a Black person without perceiving him as less than an equal. These are deeply flawed and divisive doctrines that White people in the LDS church continue to possess. This is what a person like Mr. Peterson holds in his heart as true, god-ordained, and as such he SUSTAINS racist policies as evidenced by Mr. Peterson's own words. Got news for ya. That makes you racist.

You're making some pretty giant leaps here, Antishock. Where did DCP say that he held the view of Blacks not being as valiant in the pre-existence, the dark skin curse, or the denying of the priesthood to blacks was deserved?

He stated that he felt that Brigham Young was wrong in his racist assertions.

Also, how can you, or anyone be privy to what someone on this board "holds in his/her heart"?

This "all or nothing" attitude that many of the former Church members has here is really baffling to me.

You act like it is impossible to be LDS and not be racist. That's simply not true.

I am a white, LDS female, and I am not racist. I view everyone as equal. I think that the Priesthood ban was flat-out wrong. I don't think it was of God at all. I think it was the attitudes of men that caused the ban to happen in the first place. I also find the whole idea that blacks were supposedly "fence sitters" in the pre-existence complete nonsense. It falls in the same category with Jesus supposedly having multiple wives, and God having sex with Mary. It's all a bunch of hairbrain BS.

[_antishock8]

I don't have to read anyone's mind. All I have to do is read their words. Their words are very clear. If you endorse racist policies that makes you racist. I'm not sure how much more "black and white" than that it can get.

Liz,

You can be LDS and not believe in LDS doctrines. You complain that I'm speaking in absolutes, but you turn around and speak in absolutes yourself. I take painfully clear measures to caveat what I'm saying, and to be careful in the words I use. So does Mr. Peterson. I'm not sure how you can read Mr. Peterson's endorsement of BY as a man, and his racist doctrines, and come away with a different perspective.

edit:

I mean, Liz, when you have historical statements like this:

"The Book of Abraham is rich both in doctrine and in historical incidents. Of the latter the fact of the large influence (if not identity) of Egyptian religious ideas in Chaldea in the days of Abraham is established; the descent of the black race, Negro, from Cain, the first murderer; the preservation of that race through the flood by the wife of Ham--"Egyptus," which in the Chaldean signifies "Egypt," "which signifies that which is forbidden"--the descendants of "Egyptus" were cursed as pertaining to the priesthood--that is, they were barred from holding that divine power; the origin also of the Egyptians--these things, together with the account of Abraham migrating from Chaldea to Egypt, constitute the chief historical items that are contained in the book."

- Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.2, Ch.47, Pg.128

And then a poster on this board claiming Ham was Black... Well, THAT is just a MYSTERY as to where he might have come up with that one...