MAD Poster: DCP Delivers Talk that is not "Relevant"

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Re: MAD Poster: DCP Delivers Talk that is not "Relevant"

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Well, if DCP's project is indeed one that's meant to show everyone that it's okay and "reasonable" to believe in the resurrection, then I think we can assume certain things. On the one hand, if his primary audience were TBMs, then this project would imply that there is a crisis of faith in the Church, and that this project is a sort of "desperation maneuver," where The Good Professor is trying to rescue everyone's testimony by show that the resurrection is a real, provable fact.

That said, I believe he said that his main audience is not TBM. This hints at something I have discussed before: Mopologetic embarrassment. In embarking on this project, it seems to me that DCP is trying to present a very detailed, scholarly case for why believers should not be ridiculed for believing that they'll get to come back from the dead in the next life.

What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary? Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds? Why does DCP find it necessary to write apologia for the resurrection? It just doesn't make any sense.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Well, if DCP's project is indeed one that's meant to show everyone that it's okay and "reasonable" to believe in the resurrection, then I think we can assume certain things. On the one hand, if his primary audience were TBMs, then this project would imply that there is a crisis of faith in the Church, and that this project is a sort of "desperation maneuver," where The Good Professor is trying to rescue everyone's testimony by show that the resurrection is a real, provable fact.


First mistake: Deciding to assume.
Second mistake: Making incorrect assumptions.

I highly, highly, doubt that there is a crisis of faith regarding the resurrection. I don't think you can make that statement (or assumption) based on the evidence you have presented so far.


Mister Scratch wrote:That said, I believe he said that his main audience is not TBM.


If you know this, why did you go into the speculations above, based as they obviously are on an incorrect assumption? The facts get lost in translation with that approach. In this case, the fact is that yes, DCP has stated that his primary audience in the future will likely be primarily non-believers (not "non-LDS", "non-believers").


Mister Scratch wrote: This hints at something I have discussed before: Mopologetic embarrassment. In embarking on this project, it seems to me that DCP is trying to present a very detailed, scholarly case for why believers should not be ridiculed for believing that they'll get to come back from the dead in the next life.

What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary? Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds? Why does DCP find it necessary to write apologia for the resurrection? It just doesn't make any sense.


It makes sense if you think of it in terms of beyond-LDS. This is quite a major topic of debate amongst Christians themselves and certainly between Christians and non-believers. I think it's great to get believers stimulated to take a look at what they really believe and why and to know what other parties (different faiths and secularists alike) think of what they believe and the arguments they use against it.

I think believers will always face ridicule from some secularists. That cannot be the prime motivator or influencer of what a believer believes or does not believe.

I don't think that non-believers are targeting only LDS on this topic. Obviously, there are many other non-LDS people of faith who believe in the resurrection of Jesus, who like to have at least talking points to explain their belief and the reasons for it, and some of whom like to discuss these issues with non-believers.

If you think of the resurrection as being the foundation of Christian belief, it is not surprising that it would be a meaningful, significant and much-discussed and defended doctrine.

I don't find it surprising that DCP would think, hope, expect that many of his writings apply to and are noticed by the wider body of scholars, not restricted to only LDS circles.

And why not?
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Mister Scratch wrote:Well, if DCP's project is indeed one that's meant to show everyone that it's okay and "reasonable" to believe in the resurrection, then I think we can assume certain things. On the one hand, if his primary audience were TBMs, then this project would imply that there is a crisis of faith in the Church, and that this project is a sort of "desperation maneuver," where The Good Professor is trying to rescue everyone's testimony by show that the resurrection is a real, provable fact.

By that standard the Gospel Doctrine class I taught today was a desperate measure. :surprised:

That said, I believe he said that his main audience is not TBM. This hints at something I have discussed before: Mopologetic embarrassment. In embarking on this project, it seems to me that DCP is trying to present a very detailed, scholarly case for why believers should not be ridiculed for believing that they'll get to come back from the dead in the next life.

What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary?

Because it's interesting.

Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds?

Very few.

Why does DCP find it necessary to write apologia for the resurrection?

Because he finds the topic interesting.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Knowledge for the sake of knowledge has never seemed to interest you before so I don't find this surprising at all. Information that is not part of an argument to discredit or sway someone to a point of view must seem so bland to you. I pity you.
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If Daniel came to my region, I'd drive an hour or more to see this presentation. I'd like to see how he goes about proving something that has no historical foundation, but is simply a matter of faith.
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Mister Scratch wrote:What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary? Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds?


These are fantastic questions Mister Scratch. I do have the answers. All will be revealed shortly.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary? Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds?


These are fantastic questions Mister Scratch. I do have the answers. All will be revealed shortly.


I anxiously await these stunning revelations. No doubt this will be a staggering blow.
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Gadianton wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:What I am really wondering is this: why is this even necessary? Are there critics out there who are attacking LDS on these grounds?


These are fantastic questions Mister Scratch. I do have the answers. All will be revealed shortly.


Geez, you're beginning to sound like Daniel. And Brent. And anyone else who has a book/paper/presentation in the works.
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Mister Scratch wrote:I anxiously await these stunning revelations. No doubt this will be a staggering blow.


No doubt. I'll expect the deathblow to the LDS faith within the month.
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harmony wrote:I'd like to see how he goes about proving something that has no historical foundation

I've never spoken of "proving" the resurrection. But I do think I can show that its historical foundation is reasonably strong.

Gadianton wrote:These are fantastic questions Mister Scratch.

Gadianton Scratch pays tribute to Mister Scratch, in the venerable Scratchist tradition of absurdly inflated mutual public praise.

Gadianton wrote:I do have the answers. All will be revealed shortly.

I can hardly wait to learn what I'm thinking!

Mister Scratch wrote:I anxiously await these stunning revelations. No doubt this will be a staggering blow.

LOL. Scratch drools with malicious anticipation.

Note the adversarial attitude, yet again. It never ceases.
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The Nehor wrote:By that standard the Gospel Doctrine class I taught today was a desperate measure. :surprised:



You teach the Gospel Doctrine class?? :surprised:
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