Oh the hypocrisy of Provo professors!!!!

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_antishock8
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Re: Oh the hypocrisy of Provo professors!!!!

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Jason Bourne wrote:
antishock8 wrote:
I think it's safe to assume there are a lot of people who don't like the idea of Mormons doing anything to or on behalf of their dead relatives. It's very offensive.


Fair enough.

By the way, what do you do for work? I here F bombs here and there at my job but nothing like you relate.


I work in the cafeteria for BYU-Provo.
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I work in the cafeteria for BYU-Provo.


Hahahaaaaa!! :lol:

Ok

I probably deserved that one.
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Typical parsing..


Actually no it is not. Say what it is man.


Pretending to be and "representing deceased persons" is equally wacky.


I have no trouble if you think so. I am not losing sleep over it.
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Jason Bourne wrote:I have no trouble if you think so. I am not losing sleep over it.


Yes, you and DCP have made it clear that you don't care what others think..
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Yes, you and DCP have made it clear that you don't care what others think.


I should trouble myself over what an overly aggressive angry poster on a message board like this one thinks? Someone who distorts the practice we are discussing then dismisses it as wacky either way?

You do not see the irony of this when you are jumping on LDS for proxy baptisms being disrespectful?

Perhaps if your posts were not so chock full of hostile and angry manners I would care more about what YOU say.

When you start showing any respect in your posts here maybe I will worry about what you say. Till then, nope.

There are others I do care about what they say. And I do care about those who object to LDS proxy baptisms.

But I don't expect you to be able to see this.
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Analytics wrote:My point is to assert that some people out there really do have this particular religious sensibility. That being the case, if decent, civil people really respect strong religious sensibilities," then to the extent Mormons are decent, civil people, they’d respect this sensibility of others and stop proselytizing.

I can't agree.

Just as my right to swing my fist ends (at a minimum) where your nose begins, my religious sensibilities can't trespass upon your right to worship (or not) as you see fit, provided your exercise of that right doesn't materially impact mine.

Respect for religious sensibilities doesn't confer a veto right on anybody. It doesn't confer upon the most hypersensitive some sort of moral claim to require others to surrender their own beliefs or sacred practices.

Suppose the existence of a mosque or a Mormon chapel in a town offends an evangelical. (I'm essentially paraphrasing a note I received relatively recently.) Must the Muslims and Mormons shut down their respective places of worship in deference to a rather extreme form of Protestant triumphalism?

Taking the gospel to all the living and the dead is at the heart of Mormonism. While we should try to be sensitive to the legitimate concerns of others, we are not obligated, if they're hypersensitive, to abandon our fundamental beliefs because of their unwillingness to grant our right to worship as we choose,
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TAK wrote:Yes, you and DCP have made it clear that you don't care what others think..

If there's value in grossly misrepresenting the position of your opponent, I don't see it.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:

Taking the gospel to all the living and the dead is at the heart of Mormonism. While we should try to be sensitive to the legitimate concerns of others, we are not obligated, if they're hypersensitive, to abandon our fundamental beliefs because of their unwillingness to grant our right to worship as we choose,


So why the 1995 agreement with the Jewish community. Why did the LDS church have to capitulate on a supposed commandment of God? Was it merely because of "bad press"? Was it something else?

Your avoidance of answering a very basic, and yet obvious question (given your remarks above) may be telling enough.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Analytics wrote:My point is to assert that some people out there really do have this particular religious sensibility. That being the case, if decent, civil people really respect strong religious sensibilities," then to the extent Mormons are decent, civil people, they’d respect this sensibility of others and stop proselytizing.

I can't agree.

Just as my right to swing my fist ends (at a minimum) where your nose begins, my religious sensibilities can't trespass upon your right to worship (or not) as you see fit, provided your exercise of that right doesn't materially impact mine.

Respect for religious sensibilities doesn't confer a veto right on anybody. It doesn't confer upon the most hypersensitive some sort of moral claim to require others to surrender their own beliefs or sacred practices.

Suppose the existence of a mosque or a Mormon chapel in a town offends an evangelical. (I'm essentially paraphrasing a note I received relatively recently.) Must the Muslims and Mormons shut down their respective places of worship in deference to a rather extreme form of Protestant triumphalism?

Taking the gospel to all the living and the dead is at the heart of Mormonism. While we should try to be sensitive to the legitimate concerns of others, we are not obligated, if they're hypersensitive, to abandon our fundamental beliefs because of their unwillingness to grant our right to worship as we choose,

Just as a reminder, you were the one that said, "decent, civil people really respect strong religious sensibilities". I don't agree with that either--I'm glad you are coming around.
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