Oh the hypocrisy of Provo professors!!!!

[_Daniel Peterson]

Just as a reminder, you were the one that said, "decent, civil people really respect strong religious sensibilities".

It seems to me mere elementary human decency, basic civility, to respect the religious sensibilities of others.

Respecting those sensibilities, of course, doesn't grant those others absolute veto power over me and mine, but it does surely entail making a serious effort to avoid gratuitously trampling them.

[_harmony]

I have no trouble if you think so. I am not losing sleep over it.

Yes, you and DCP have made it clear that you don't care what others think..

Why should they?

[_harmony]

Just as my right to swing my fist ends (at a minimum) where your nose begins...

Actually, I think some people (the Jews, for example) think that your/our fist (baptism) not only hit their nose, but bloodied it considerably. And they asked us to cease hitting them on the nose. And we agreed. And then we didn't.

Our bad.

[_Daniel Peterson]

And they asked us to cease hitting them on the nose. And we agreed. And then we didn't.

I'm not sure that's accurate.

[_ludwigm]

I hope that this is not a derailing of the thread, but:

Do deleting the records from the Big Black Book of The Proxy Baptisms undo the effect of that baptisms (if any)?

In this era of electronic data, deleting something may mean:
- marking the data as unavailable to plebs (the unworthy)
- moving the data to another place, unavailable to plebs
- backup the data to another media before deleting (can be restored any time)
- (Please use Your imagination to find similar methods)

The baptism of the objectors can be continued, only the records must marked hidden.

To use the suggestive description I like, does make unhappened my hitting You on the nose the destroying the photo/video about the event, and plastic surgery for Your nose* ? (The memory of the bystanders can be deleted by orwellian methods ... )

by the way many times I would bleedingly hit some on the nose ...
(and hope that they accept and follow Luke 6:29 / Matt. 5:39, I know all of apologists are of this type.)

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[_TAK]

Yes, you and DCP have made it clear that you don't care what others think..

If there's value in grossly misrepresenting the position of your opponent, I don't see it.

With regard to proxy work there is no misrepresenting of positions..

Your religion does these without regard to how the families feel and you are fine with that.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Your religion does these without regard to how the families feel and you are fine with that.

The Church has worked with the Jewish community on this matter in good faith.

You misrepresent not only me but the Church.

[_TAK]

Your religion does these without regard to how the families feel and you are fine with that.

The Church has worked with the Jewish community on this matter in good faith.

You misrepresent not only me but the Church.

Really ??

Nov. 10, 2008
Allison Hoffman, Jerusalem Post Correspondent, New York, THE JERUSALEM POST

Jewish group wants Mormons to stop proxy baptisms
NEW YORK - Holocaust survivors said Monday they were abandoning negotiations with the Mormon church over its posthumous baptisms of Jews who were killed in Nazi death camps.

Survivors claim elders of the Salt Lake City-based Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have refused to systemically search for and remove the names of Holocaust victims from their master genealogical database and have failed to prevent "zealots" from adding thousands of new Jewish names to the list in recent years - including thousands lifted from Yizkor books of Jews massacred at Berdichev in Ukraine.

"We are not going to continue meeting with the Mormon Church," said Auschwitz survivor Ernest Michel, head of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, who has spearheaded efforts to scrub the Mormon lists since discovering in the 1990s that his parents were among 380,000 Holocaust victims having been baptized into the Christian faith.

Gary Motokoff, a Jewish genealogist who participated in meetings with Mormon leaders, described the negotiations as "fruitless."

"We go round and round, and they refuse to change their position," Motokoff [told] the The Jerusalem Post.

He and Michel claimed the church had failed to enforce rules it agreed to in 1995 to prevent Holocaust victims' names from being added and had not reprimanded those who moved to restore thousands that had been removed form baptismal lists.

"The Church's actions show disrespect for us - they revise history, intentionally or not," said Michel, who cited July correspondence with church leaders at a Manhattan news conference in which elders stated they would only remove the names of Jewish Holocaust victims upon request rather than conducting their own records search.

"Leave our six million people, all victims, alone," Michel said. "They have suffered enough."

[_Daniel Peterson]

The Church has a side to this story, too.

And I can tell you that there's frustration among Mormons, as well.

[_antishock8]

The Church has a side to this story, too.

And I can tell you that there's frustration among Mormons, as well.

Fat Man,

Please share you church's side of the story.

Thank you in advance.