Jehovah's Witnesses. A patently absurd fraud?

[_Calculus Crusader]

You have no idea who I am or what I've done, and yet you're willing to make this claim?

Yes. I have observed your manifest stupidity here and it is sufficient to arrive at that conclusion.

[_Chap]

"Not taking Calculus Crusader very seriously = Manifest stupidity"

Discuss.

[_TAK]

At the wedding the groom's family couldn't drink champagne, and the bride's family couldn't make a toast.

LMAO! Cults.. at least we still have that to laugh at..

[_antishock8]

He's still a Mormon, TAK. I'm just f**king with him.

No, you are lying, and displaying an unhealthy fixation with me. I can't blame you if you have a jones for me but even if you weren't acting like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, I'm afraid it wouldn't work out between us.

You yourself said you're still a member of record. Now who's the liar? I'm just illustrating the depth and degree to which you're a terrible Christian, and to which your religious beliefs, whatever they are outside of monotheism have no discernable impact on your character other than to turbocharge your nerd-dom and Internet Tough Guy-ness.

[_antishock8]

Jehovah's Witnesses like Calculus Crude-sader have misrepresented the doctrine of the Trinity in two ways:

Misrepresentation 1: Jesus is the Father.

This doctrine, called Modalism.

Misrepresentation 2: That there are 3 'gods' in the Trinity.

The Christian Church does not teach this. This is an error known as Tritheism, also rejected by Trinitarians.

The Athanasian Creed (4th - 5th centuries A.D.):

"So the Father is God: the Son is God: and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three Gods: but one God. So likewise the Father is Lord: the Son is Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord. And yet not three Lords: but one Lord. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity: to acknowledge every Person by Himself to be God and Lord: So we are forbidden by the Catholic Religion to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords." The Athanasian Creed clearly defines the Trinity as "one God", and rejects any idea otherwise.

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So, we can already see Calculus Crude-sader misunderstanding the very nature of his own faith. Not only does he reject LARGE SWATHS of his own Bible, but now he fundamentally rejects the deity of his own God.

What weird and crazy way to stay faithful to one's faith. First he's an ex-Mormon who is still a member of record, and now he's a Christian that rejects Christianity.

So. Weird. As if he has any right to judge Mormonsim!

[Guest]

JWs do not believe that Jesus is the Father. In fact, they believe that Jesus was created by the Father and that Jesus then created all the rest of creation. They also do not believe in the Trinity and come right out and preach and teach that they do not. They believe that God the Father is God (not Trinity) and that Jesus the Son is a created being, supreme in creation but nevertheless, a creation Himself. This is the crux of why mainstream Christians do not consider JWs to be Christian (no belief in Trinity, belief in Jesus being created rather than eternal). There are obvious similarities there with Mormonism as well.

When mainstreamers refer to the Trinity, in my experience, that is the current mainstream Trinitarian Christian doctrine of "the Godhead", that God is "Three Persons in One", that Jesus is Divine, that He is "co-equal" and "co-existent" with God the Father, that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is another aspect of the Godhead. I do observe many Christians with a fuzzy idea of the exact doctrine as many pray to Jesus and even interchange Jesus and the Father (instead of keeping them separate - separate yet equal - and praying to the Father through the Son, as taught, not to the Son. This can make for some inconsistent and illogical prayers! (Yeah, I know, many figure prayer itself is illogical but coming from the frame of reference of believers even it can be quite illogical to interchange the two that way).

One thing about the JW organization - they do actually clearly state what they believe. No hidden or deep or changeable doctrine - they want you know what their doctrine is and they don't want converts unless all is revealed, understood and believed prior to baptism. I respect that about them.

[_Some Schmo]

You have no idea who I am or what I've done, and yet you're willing to make this claim?

Yes. I have observed your manifest stupidity here and it is sufficient to arrive at that conclusion.

For you, I'm sure it is. But again, this only provides commentary on you're own lack.

I want to feel sorry for you; I really do. You certainly deserve pity. It's just so difficult to pity moronic pricks.

Oh well.

[_antishock8]

JWs do not believe that Jesus is the Father. In fact, they believe that Jesus was created by the Father and that Jesus then created all the rest of creation. They also do not believe in the Trinity and come right out and preach and teach that they do not. They believe that God the Father is God (not Trinity) and that Jesus the Son is a created being, supreme in creation but nevertheless, a creation Himself. This is the crux of why mainstream Christians do not consider JWs to be Christian (no belief in Trinity, belief in Jesus being created rather than eternal). There are obvious similarities there with Mormonism as well.

When mainstreamers refer to the Trinity, in my experience, that is the current mainstream Trinitarian Christian doctrine of "the Godhead", that God is "Three Persons in One", that Jesus is Divine, that He is "co-equal" and "co-existent" with God the Father, that the Holy Ghost/Spirit is another aspect of the Godhead. I do observe many Christians with a fuzzy idea of the exact doctrine as many pray to Jesus and even interchange Jesus and the Father (instead of keeping them separate - separate yet equal - and praying to the Father through the Son, as taught, not to the Son. This can make for some inconsistent and illogical prayers! (Yeah, I know, many figure prayer itself is illogical but coming from the frame of reference of believers even it can be quite illogical to interchange the two that way).

One thing about the JW organization - they do actually clearly state what they believe. No hidden or deep or changeable doctrine - they want you know what their doctrine is and they don't want converts unless all is revealed, understood and believed prior to baptism. I respect that about them.

Hi Nightingale,

JW's apply Modalistic interpretations to a passage in the Bible, and then refute it. Trinitarians reject this tactic. That's all I'm getting at. Sorry about not being clear.

[_Nightingale]

JW's apply Modalistic interpretations to a passage in the Bible, and then refute it. Trinitarians reject this tactic. That's all I'm getting at. Sorry about not being clear.

Oh, I see. I thought there was a possibility I was misunderstanding you but didn't take the time to go back and check. I'll take another look. Thanks.

[_Calculus Crusader]

No, you are lying, and displaying an unhealthy fixation with me. I can't blame you if you have a jones for me but even if you weren't acting like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, I'm afraid it wouldn't work out between us.

You yourself said you're still a member of record. Now who's the liar? I'm just illustrating the depth and degree to which you're a terrible Christian, and to which your religious beliefs, whatever they are outside of monotheism have no discernable impact on your character other than to turbocharge your nerd-dom and Internet Tough Guy-ness.

Do I need to resort to pictograms with you, moron? You were lying about me being a JW.