Obama destroying the economy

[_truth dancer]

Hi Brackite... :-)

Well, if McCain won, I would hope that he could get us out of this mess we are in, just like I hope Obama can.

I don't think anyone has the perfect answer and unfortunately I don't think we will get through it without some scrapes and bruises.

I just have a difficult time when people start comparing our President to Hitler and Pol Pot. Ya know? :-)

~td~

[_Jersey Girl]

I totally get (not that I agree) the unwillingness to help families who have made poor decisions but my gosh, do you let children suffer?

I don't get this mindset.

I'm afraid that I get this mindset more than I care to say, I see it every single week day and if you had asked me 30+ years ago, I wouldn't be able to connect the dots. Sadly, I can now, though I don't see it as fitting with the topic and unless someone is genuinely interested tracing it back to where the societal fissure began that cracked a gaping wound in childhood, I won't pursue it right now.

Ours isn't a society that values it's children and it's become increasingly worse over the last 20 years. I'm far more concerned with the number of children moving through society with compromised attachments and anger issues at age 3, due to lack of nurturing. These are the children who grow up to shoot their classmates, their teachers, and kill their parents. I see so many children manipulated on a daily basis by their own parents, children who harbor resentment in the early years and why? Because their needs aren't being met. I am currently involved in training to deliver a pilot program regarding social/emotional well being. I've never seen so many intervention programs and state initiatives for children at risk, as I have over the last 10 years.

TD, I don't see anyone caring about children living in tents, cardboard boxes or going to sleep on a bed of newspapers with an empty belly until the street sides are littered with them to the point where they physically get in people's way or the spread of disease threatens to interfere with their own quality of life.

You and I see the long term ramifications, however, I think most people see only the here and now, immediate gratification. And that's part of the problem.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Jersey Girl,

Yeah, you are right.

We create a world that is not healthy for children and wonder why children are not doing well.

Right now, we have people all over the country who have lost their jobs and homes and our social services are exploding. My immediate concern is for the children, elderly, and disabled and I am still wondering what the Rush/Beck crowd thinks should be done when there are no funds or services for those in need of care.

~td~

[_cinepro]

Hi Brackite... :-)

Well, if McCain won, I would hope that he could get us out of this mess we are in, just like I hope Obama can.

My frustration in all this mess is that the best guy for the job (from either party) was probably Romney.

We need a guy in the White House who can read a balance sheet, understand the difference between an asset and a liability, and know how to make tough decisions that produce short-term pain in exchange for long term (and greater) benefits. But the political forces are so great, I'm skeptical that even Romney could have made the necessary decisions.

He was probably the best chance we had (and that being said, even his housing bailout proposals were pretty pathetic).

Oh well.

[_Jersey Girl]

Hi Jersey Girl,

Yeah, you are right.

We create a world that is not healthy for children and wonder why children are not doing well.

Right now, we have people all over the country who have lost their jobs and homes and our social services are exploding. My immediate concern is for the children, elderly, and disabled and I am still wondering what the Rush/Beck crowd thinks should be done when there are no funds or services for those in need of care.

~td~

TD,

You know and understand that my interest is in children. Until this society learns to function on empathic concern for it's own children, I don't see many social programs succeeding with regards to the economic conditions we're currently experiencing. The financial crisis, in my view, is a symptom of a misdirected, misguided, sick society that fails to see it's own future as dependent on the health and well being of it's children.

Me, I'd like to know what the Rush/Beck crowd thinks accounts for the increase in childhood violence in our country acted out on siblings, teachers, parents and peers.

Or do they even give a damn?

[Analytics]

Or do they even give a damn?

My guess is that they do. One way of looking at what you wrote earlier is that parents should be spending more time connecting with their chilren--things money can't buy. But parents need to earn money to provide their children with what they think is best. Both parents often work not because the parents want nicer cars or better vacations, but because they're competing with other parents to buy houses in prized neighborhoods with good schools and to pay for varous activities for their children such as music lessons or what have you. These are noble goals, but they may have hidden costs.

Or sometimes a child is in a single-parent household whether it be from death or any other reason. What is the best solution there--to ensure single parents can remain with their children until their children enter school?

I'm not really convinced that money is the problem or solution to our nation's current problems with children. I'm certainly not for tent cities, and malnutrition (heck, I'm even for prolonging some pain to help the elderly), but I do wonder just how much is vital for children and when (since I know that I didn't need my mother as much when I was 10 as I did when I was 3).

[_asbestosman]

We need a guy in the White House who can read a balance sheet, understand the difference between an asset and a liability, and know how to make tough decisions that produce short-term pain in exchange for long term (and greater) benefits.

The problem i have with short-term pain is that some of us may not survive it quite so well. I'll be fine either way, but I'm 30, of good health, and have a good education. I'm not quite as sure with the elderly, or others who may not be quite so lucky. To some extent I'd rather soften the blow even if it prolongs the duration if it ends up saving more people difficulties.

But I may be looking at it wrong. Furthermore I don't know what actually would soften the blow whether it be Obama's idea, Limbaugh's idea, or anyone else's idea.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Abman,

The problem i have with short-term pain is that some of us may not survive it quite so well. I'll be fine either way, but I'm 30, of good health, and have a good education. I'm not quite as sure with the elderly, or others who may not be quite so lucky. To some extent I'd rather soften the blow even if it prolongs the duration if it ends up saving more people difficulties.

I'm right with you on this.

When it comes to children in my opinion, we must do everything we can to make sure they are cared for, if parents can't do it on their own, we need to step in.

I realize many people don't like helping those who create the problem, and I get this, but it is the children who will suffer the most, right along with the disabled and elderly.

I used to live in Michigan and right now, there are all sorts of middle class, honest and hard working people who are losing their homes, have no jobs, can't move and are stuck, (as there are all over the Country). They are using government resources but if this was not available they would be on the streets.

While I suppose adults can live in their cars and go through the garbage to eat, how can people find this acceptable for children?

I can't see it as an option.

~td~

[_Jason Bourne]

Me, I'd like to know what the Rush/Beck crowd thinks accounts for the increase in childhood violence in our country acted out on siblings, teachers, parents and peers.

You ever watch Bill O'Reilly?

Or do they even give a damn

I can assure you he does. He is on a crusade about this. Especially for tough laws against child molesters as well as going after judges who let them of easy. He has even raked governors of states that will not enact tougher laws over the coals.

[_Jersey Girl]

Me, I'd like to know what the Rush/Beck crowd thinks accounts for the increase in childhood violence in our country acted out on siblings, teachers, parents and peers.

You ever watch Bill O'Reilly?

Or do they even give a damn

I can assure you he does. He is on a crusade about this. Especially for tough laws against child molesters as well as going after judges who let them of easy. He has even raked governors of states that will not enact tougher laws over the coals.

O'Reilly? I know who he is, have seen bits of his broadcast but no, I don't really watch him. Doesn't he have the body language expert? I've seen that a few times. :-)

What's he on a crusade against?