First it was the Jews...

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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Thank you, Dr. Shades, for taking the time to pick apart that lousy, barely concealed racist rant. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought about it and decided it just wasn't worth it. To be honest, I'm in awe that someone could take such a creative and controversial idea and make it so dull. It's no easy task sounding so boorish while making outrageously vexed comparisons.

Keep in mind that this woman is all about hype. The only reason she has any following is because she is hot and posed in a bikini while reporting.

http://phin.mu.nu/archives/193895.php

http://jezebel.com/364296/meet-bikini-b ... is-amazing

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=P ... kini&emb=0

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We demand and then codified into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people whom we know could never pay back?


Ya know, this just makes me angry. I see this in my own neighborhood. But the only people who qualified for those loans, who never intended to pay them back and certainly never intended to actually be forced to move out of those homes or maintain them in any semblance of sellable condition... are a different color than I am. I couldn't qualify for those loans. I was missing a basic skin pigment.


As a former employee of the largest mortgage company in the country, I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this.

Aside from the fact that harmony is revealing a rather disgusting side of her personality, this just isn't true.

Sub-prime loans - approved for people of the same and "different color" as harmony - make up a very small percentage of defaulting home loans.

If I cared, I'd question how harmony knows that "the only people who qualified for those loans... are a different color" than her. Sounds like bigotry to me.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Here's an article comparing what's happening today with Germany - and I think it has a little more substance than the rant by Pam:

http://informationclearinghouse.information/article22211.htm

Some excerpts:

The US Is Facing a Weimar Moment
By Robert Freeman

March 16, 2009 "Commondreams" --- -- In early 1919, Germany put in place a new government to begin rebuilding the country after its crushing defeat in World War I. But the right-wing forces that had led the country into the War and lost the War conspired even before it was over to destroy the new government, the "Weimar Republic." They succeeded.

The U.S. faces a similar "Weimar Moment." The devastating collapse of the economy after eight years of Republican rule has left the leadership, policies, and ideology of the right utterly discredited. But, as was the case with Germany in 1919, Republicans do not intend to allow the new government to succeed. They will do everything they can to undermine it. If they are successful, the U.S. may yet go the way of Weimar Germany.

World War I left Germany utterly devastated. The landed aristocrats, industrial magnates, wealthy financiers, weapons makers, and the officer corps of the military that formed the locus of right wing power were completely discredited. Their failure in provoking and prosecuting the War was catastrophic, undeniable, and complete.

The economy was destroyed. Prices were at 800% of pre-war levels and rising quickly. Agriculture, pillaged for the War, lay in ruins. Social insurance payments for the War's injured, to widows and orphans, and newly unemployed soldiers were astronomical. And all this was before the cost of rebuilding was even begun.



Let's not forget that Republicans got us into this mess.

As a result of the failure of the right, the German people elected a moderately leftist government to lead the nation's rebuilding. It was named the Weimar Republic for the city in which the new post-imperial constitution was written. The new government was led by Friedrich Ebert, head of the German Socialist Party.

But the country's new parliamentary system had allowed dozens of parties to run, making it impossible for any one party to win an outright majority. Ebert's party had achieved the highest portion of votes, 38%, in the first post-War elections, held in January 1919. Ebert would have to govern by coalition.

It was at this time that the right wing made its crucial decision. Despite its shocking, naked failure over the prior decade, despite the horrific devastation it had wrought on the German people, despite the discrediting of everything they had purported to stand for, they would fight Ebert, his new government, and its plans for recovery. They would do everything they could to make sure that the new government failed.

Their strategy was two-fold: first, stoke the resentment of the population about the calamitous state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions had been created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretended to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.

And stoking resentment was easy to do. Just before the War ended, the military concocted its most sensational lie: the German army hadn't actually been defeated. It had been "stabbed in the back" by communists, traitors, and Jews. It was an easy lie to sell. It entwined an attack on an alien political ideology - liberalism- with the latent, pervasive myth of German racial superiority.


Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and others are stoking resentment daily. They are having some success. Many Americans are resentful, and forget who got us into this mess to begin with.


The second strategy of the right was to prevent the new government from succeeding. To begin with, success of the left would conspicuously advertise the failure of the right. Moreover, success by the left would legitimize republican government, so hated by the oligarchs of the right. Much better for the people to be ruled by the self-aggrandizing right-wing autocracy that had governed Germany for centuries.

So the rightists set out to do everything they could to make it impossible for the leftists to govern. They would use parliamentary maneuver, shifting coalitions, domination of the new mass media, legislative obstruction, staged public relations spectacles, relentless pressure by narrow but powerful interests, judicial intimidation and, eventually, outright murder of their political opponents.

Contrition for their abject failure, humility for their destructive hubris, compassion for their crippled country-those had nothing to do with it. All they possessed was a blinding, visceral hatred of the left and a masturbatory lust for the return to power.


Sound familiar?

Eventually, they succeeded. Every setback in recovery - and there would inevitably be many - was met with hysterical demonizing of the left wing government. The lie was repeated relentlessly that the government was run by communists, traitors, and Jews-the same furtive cabal that had purportedly stabbed the country in the back at the end of the War. They steadily chipped away at the efficacy and, thereby, the legitimacy of successive republican governments.

By the time of the Great Depression, Adolf Hitler's ironically named National Socialist Party had become the biggest vote getter in the nation. The Nazis had once been derided as the lunatic fringe of the far right. But the "respectable" right-wing power brokers who had started and lost the Great War anointed Hitler Chancellor in January, 1933.

He immediately suspended the constitution, abolishing most civil liberties. He outlawed opposition parties, began a massive military build-up and a relentless propaganda campaign, and set Germany and the world onto the path of the greatest destruction it would ever know.

America now faces its own "Weimar moment."


Let's hope we don't repeat history! We should indeed all read our history books!

The failure of right wing policy and leadership over the past eight years, especially in matters economic, is comparable to Germany's right-wing failure in World War I. It is catastrophic, undeniable, and complete.

Consider:

According to the World Economic Forum, forty percent of the entire world's wealth has been destroyed in the recent financial collapse. In the U.S. alone, between housing and the stock market, more than $18 trillion in wealth has already been destroyed.

The private mega-banks that anchor the financial systems of the western world are bankrupt. This makes it all but impossible to jump-start the western world's economies which are heavily dependent on bank-system credit to operate.

More than 10,000 homes go into foreclosure every day. More than 20,000 people lose their job every day. And the collapse is accelerating, developing its own self-reinforcing dynamic. Job losses breed foreclosures, reducing demand, leading to more job losses and further degradation of the financial system. None of the stopgaps designed to stanch the bleeding have yet worked. There is no bottom in sight.

Meanwhile, debt has risen to astronomical levels. Reagan and Bush I quadrupled the national debt in only twelve years. Bush II doubled it again in only eight. It is now ten times higher than it was in 1980 when Reagan was elected. Total public and private debt exceeds 300% of GDP, half again higher than it was in 1929.

The government's unfunded liabilities, promises it has made to the American people but for which no payment source can be identified, now exceed $60 trillion, a literally inconceivable sum that can never, will never, be paid. Federal Reserve economist Lawrence Kotlikoff has suggested that the U.S. government is "actuarially bankrupt."


We're in a terrible mess. We should all be hoping that Obama's policies succeed, whether we like them or not!

So what is the right wing response?

They have adopted the strategy and tactics of the failed right wing plotters in Weimar Germany. First, stoke the resentment of the population about the increasingly dire state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions were created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretend to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.

Second, prevent the new government from succeeding in any meaningful endeavor. The Republicans have set all their efforts to doing everything they can to make sure the Obama administration fails. Rush Limbaugh's infamous, "I hope he fails" pronouncement is only the beginning of the fomenting of hatred from the right. As Limbaugh said, "Let's be honest. Every Republican in America is hoping for Obama's failure."

The same malignant hope oozes unadulterated from all the other Dogpatch Demagogues that rent themselves out to the Republican party to foment resentment against anything liberal: Joe the "Plumber," Rick Santelli, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and virtually every other wing-nut operative whose intellectual stock in trade has been vaporized by the collision of right-wing policies with objective reality.

Equally so for the "respectable" members of the party, the all-but-three Republican members of Congress who refused to sign on to Obama's first stimulus package and continue to grandstand against every effort toward any form of progress. Contrition for their own abject failure, humility for their destructive hubris, compassion for their crippled country-those have nothing to do with it. All they possess is a blinding, visceral hatred of the left and a masturbatory lust for the return to power.

And what else can they do? Bereft of ideas, bankrupt in ideology, architects of collapse, obstruction is all they have. If Obama is successful, it will not only advertise the full extent of their failure, it will provide a model of liberal governance that would render Republicans irrelevant for decades, much as FDR's success left them out in the political cold for an entire generation. Liberal failure is a matter of life and death for Republicans.


There's much more there. It's a great article and very though provoking.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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GoodK wrote:
harmony wrote:Ya know, this just makes me angry. I see this in my own neighborhood. But the only people who qualified for those loans, who never intended to pay them back and certainly never intended to actually be forced to move out of those homes or maintain them in any semblance of sellable condition... are a different color than I am. I couldn't qualify for those loans. I was missing a basic skin pigment.


As a former employee of the largest mortgage company in the country, I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this.


Why would you be qualified to comment on something that had nothing to do with what I was talking about? Why would I care what the largest mortgage company in the country did? The loans weren't financed through the largest mortgage company in the country. They were financed through low rate government loans, in a special program for a specific minority group.

Aside from the fact that harmony is revealing a rather disgusting side of her personality, this just isn't true.


Because I think something was unfair, now I'm disgusting? Too bad. Deal.

Sub-prime loans - approved for people of the same and "different color" as harmony - make up a very small percentage of defaulting home loans.


And this matters why? Someone makes up that "small percentage". You don't know if these loans do or not. And neither can I. All I know is 2 of the 5 homes are for sale.

If I cared, I'd question how harmony knows that "the only people who qualified for those loans... are a different color" than her. Sounds like bigotry to me.


Sounds like the truth to me. 5 homes, big, beautiful mansion-types, all financed via low rate government loans for a specific minority group, and all 5 for families with skin a shade darker than mine. I didn't qualify; it was a program designed for certain minorities (even though the only minority in that particular town is people with pink skin). 2 are now for sale, the largest 2.

I don't fault them for taking advantage of the program. I just wish the program had been available to anyone, including those of us who pay our taxes and are pink instead of brown.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Dr. Shades wrote:Your son's deployment has nothing to do with this lady's rant against Obama.


Obama promised to bring them home. Whatever else he may do, if he brings them home soon, I'll be happy.

(although I would like to know where the triple trillion or whatever it was went)

You don't care which church is right?


Hell, no. Right now, I'm a bit focused on my son staying alive.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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ktallamigo wrote:There's much more there. It's a great article and very though provoking.


Thank you for that. Excellent article. I enjoyed it very much.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Hi KT... EXCELLENT article. Thanks for posting it.

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Re: First it was the Jews...

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That would mean we'd actually have to produce something, instead of sending our manufacturing overseas or to Mexico.


That's the idea.
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Hey Jason,

Well I am not a big Rush fan but he does not lack substance and from a conservative stand point he knows his stuff. I do like Beck most the time.


I respectfully disagree with the idea the Rush knows his stuff even from a conservative stand point. I know several conservatives who think he is totally off his rocker (trying to be nice here).

I do know he appeals to a particular group, but I don't think it is the educated, knowledgeable, or informed, conservatives that buy into his bloviating tirades. :surprised:
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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Jason Bourne wrote:

That would mean we'd actually have to produce something, instead of sending our manufacturing overseas or to Mexico.


That's the idea.


Nobody cares about manufacturing. Those low to middle paying jobs are unimportant. Only jobs like the guys working the line for $50 an hour making cars matter... and then boy! do they matter! They matter to the tune of billions of dollars.

Most of my children have college degrees. One is a chemical engineer who makes paper stuff... napkins, toilet paper, tissue... stuff everybody uses He works in a medium sized manufacturing plant. The plant is the backbone of the economy in their community and you probably have used their products at one time or another. The average pay is aout $15 an hour. This is a good thing in their community.

Another of my children is a computer engineer. He makes the relays on the telephone poles. He works in a small manufacturing plant where another of my children and his wife work on the plant floor itself, putting together the relays. The two that work in the plant itself make $10 an hour each. That's $20 an hour, $40,000 a year between the two of them. For most people in the US, this is not enough. They won't work for that. So the plant is constantly hiring new people. They have plenty of work available, and could put on another manufacturing line, but they struggle to fill the positions they now have.

What we need in this country is multifaceted:

1. we need the government to quit giving our tax money to people who squander it.

2. we need to reward the people who do their jobs, not the ones who drive their businesses into government-bailout bankruptcy. I've yet to see a line worker in a manufacturing plant get a $50 million dollar bonus. They usually don't even get $50 bonuses. Yet they do all the work.

3. we need the average worker to be desperate enough to take a job that puts food on the table and a roof over the head, not put their hand out for a taxpayer financed bailout.

4. we need to foreclose on the loans that have been defaulted on, not use taxpayer money to bailout people who made agreements they couldn't support. And we need to let the banks eat their stupidity for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Let their bankers pay for those loans out of their "bonuses".

5. we need to put people to work at living wages, not inflated wages. So what if it takes 2 people to make $40,000 a year? So what if you lose your house because several someones in management positions were so greedy they gutted company and you're out of a job? Why does that make you unique? Move. Get another job; lots of jobs in my newspaper every Sunday. Lots of jobs out there, like the ones my kids work at, for $40,000 a year between the 2 of them. You used to make $150,000 a year, but you got laid off? Did you save anything? Do you have enormous credit card debt? Do you drive a big car with an equally big payment? Can you not see that you are a big part of the problem, just like the greedy bankers and managers who have driven this country to the edge? It's not all the government's fault that we're where we are. The pride and greed of the American consumer is just as much to blame.

And where's that trillion dollars?
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Re: First it was the Jews...

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harmony wrote:And we need to let the banks eat their stupidity for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

It's not their fault. It's my understanding that the government forced the banks to make home loans to minorities, regardless of whether they were poor and unable to actually pay the mortgage.

Let their bankers pay for those loans out of their "bonuses".

Their "bonuses" were their salary. Their pay had been regulated into oblivion, so to remain competitive and prevent "brain drain" the banks had to pay qualified executives via bonuses.

So the bonuses weren't literally "bonuses" dreamt up last week; they were contractual obligations written far in advance.
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