Sam Harris Talks about the Defence of Religion

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Re: Sam Harris Talks about the Defence of Religion

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You sound like a new age quantum consciousness guy: "Until it has been observed and has a label, it does not exist." The group of people who don't believe in god exists whether there's a label for them or not.


You do understand that it's hard for all those people who share views to get together on the basis of those shared views if they have no way to communicate their shared views, right? The atheist community depends on people being able to signify that what they share is their rejection of theism. Sam Harris no likey. It's not that complex.
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EAllusion wrote:
but that doesn't at all mean that everyone who can be considered an atheist (or considers themselves that) participates or even cares about this stuff


You are aware that I said the exact same thing in the very post you quoted, right? Having bad acne doesn't require you to participate in any broader bad acne community, but their exists one. Opposing slavery doesn't require one to participate in an abolitionist movement, but there existed one.

Yes, I am... so you should understand why it's problematic to call it a "community." It's not so much a community as it is a demographic. Calling it a community makes it sound like it's a subculture, and unwilling participants get attached to the stigmas of that subculture.

EAllusion wrote: You do understand that it's hard for all those people who share views to get together on the basis of those shared views if they have no way to communicate their shared views, right? The atheist community depends on people being able to signify that what they share is their rejection of theism. Sam Harris no likey. It's not that complex.

If your objection to this idea is based on the idea that Sam Harris wants no name at all for this demographic of people, I can understand your contention with it, but I don't think that's really the case (I mean, obviously, on the face of it, that's just silly, and I'd be very surprised if that's what he really wants). If he thinks "rationalist" covers it, then there's a name, whether you disagree with his definition of it or not.

Seriously, it's starting to sound like you're simply offended by his desire to remove a cherished label of yours.
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Harris complains about the usage of the word while continuing to use it.

For schmo and antishock, this is evidence for his genius!

:lol:
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Re: Sam Harris Talks about the Defence of Religion

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dartagnan wrote:Harris complains about the usage of the word while continuing to use it.

For schmo and antishock, this is evidence for his genius!

:lol:

dart claims to add substance while continuing to make unsupported claims and spout uninformed rubbish.

For dart, this is evidence for his own intelligence!

:lol:
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I don't think I would call Sam Harris a genius. Bright? Sure. Clever. Sure. Insightful? Sure. Infallible? Ugh. No. I've only read two of his books and a hanful of his essays. Frankly, there's not much I find objectionable. I think he takes a rational approach to real human problems.

Dart,

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Do you deny Jesus Christ is your Savior?


:lol:

Still with this?

Yes, I deny Jesus is my savior.
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dartagnan wrote:
Do you deny Jesus Christ is your Savior?


:lol:

Still with this?

Yes, I deny Jesus is my savior.


Really? I could have sworn you were a Christian. You're really not a Christian?

Hrm.
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What do I have to do? I know.

"Jesus, kiss my arse!"

Now would a Christian say that?
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dartagnan wrote:What do I have to do? I know.

"Jesus, kiss my arse!"

Now would a Christian say that?


Cool. I thought you were doing the "stealth Christian" thing. Much respect to your position then...
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Re: Sam Harris Talks about the Defence of Religion

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If your objection to this idea is based on the idea that Sam Harris wants no name at all for this demographic of people, I can understand your contention with it, but I don't think that's really the case (I mean, obviously, on the face of it, that's just silly, and I'd be very surprised if that's what he really wants). If he thinks "rationalist" covers it, then there's a name, whether you disagree with his definition of it or not.


He doesn't want people to self-identify with a label that specifically signifies "I don't believe in God." His problem isn't with the term atheism per se, but what it signifies. He regards this as negative and giving rhetorical ground to those who believe in God. Read the exchanges. It is silly.

The term "rationalist" isn't particularly helpful on this front because

1) it isn't specific enough

and

2) plenty of people regard their belief in God as rational, so if a person asserts that they are a "rationalist" it doesn't actually provide any reliable information as to what their views on the existence of God actually are.
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