Begging for missionaries

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_Rollo Tomasi
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Re: Begging for missionaries

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Runtu wrote:But this weird spectacle made me wonder if the church is really that hard up for missionaries. Is this begging going on churchwide, or is it just my stake here in Provo?

I've heard that the number of senior couples leaving home for a full-time mission is way down due to the bad economy (401K's getting killed and all that), so the emphasis (at least in my area) has been on senior couples doing "local missions" (part-time and they continue to live at home).
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Re: Begging for missionaries

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Runtu wrote:This guy got up and literally begged the older couples to go on missions. He said that in years past, there were about 65000+ young men and women missionaries, but now "we're down in the forties." So, with a desperation I have never seen before, he pleaded with the older couples to pick up the slack.

He said that missionaries would never be sent to a place they couldn't afford because they set the terms of their expenses. Then he said that couples need not worry about their safety because "the Brethren would never send you to a dangerous place" (I think I snorted out loud at that statement).

Besides, he said, it's not like a regular mission. You don't have to follow the same rules the younger missionaries do. You can watch television (this was the first in his list of benefits). You can go to cultural events, movies, the theater, the opera, and sporting events. You can write emails home anytime and use the Internet as you please. You can take pictures and send them home. And you can call home whenever you like. And you don't even have to do anything church-related. Honest.

I swear I thought the guy was going to get down on his knees and beg. I thought if anyone imagined they might be going to my mission, Bolivia, I don't think you'd have many volunteers.

But this weird spectacle made me wonder if the church is really that hard up for missionaries. Is this begging going on churchwide, or is it just my stake here in Provo?


So only 19 year old young men are sent into dangerous areas? That's comforting to know.

My ward is mostly the very old (over 70) with lists of health issues and the moderately young (30's and 40's) with stacks of young children. There are a few of us in our 50's, but we're all dealing with aged parents, shrunken retirement accounts, and the daily grind of trying to stay afloat in careers so we don't have to close the Bank of Mom. Most of the families are struggling with the husband doing his farmer thing and the wife working in town. I think in our 2 wards here, we have one set of couple missionaries out, and they aren't even 60 yet. They left the farm in the hands of their son, and will be back before Mother's Day.

Many of our staunchest ward members refused to serve couple missionaries, even before they grew too old. I think part of the problem is, they tend to farm until they're 70 or older. The other part is they think the church should be able to make do with the youngsters. Another one of those passive aggressive behaviors from people who won't directly confront their concerns because they've seen what happens when people confront church authorities.
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Re: Begging for missionaries

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Was this guy operating under a quota or something? I can't believe he'd get so worked up about something that doesn't affect him at all.

The stint he was describing doesn't sound like a mission at all. If he's acting on orders from above, then it sounds like the brethren are more interested in filling missionary slots and getting numbers (of missionaries) than they are about people doing actual mission work.
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truth dancer wrote:Last week in sac Marjorie Taylor-Greene, the HC rep discussed "the Lord's financial plan."

He talked about the need to follow it, how it is inspired and given to the prophet; He talked about how it is the way to deal with the current crisis. I whispered to my DH, "what is he talking about" thinking I may have missed something since I do not go to church all that often.

Then the HC rep explained, "What is the Lord's financial plan? Tithing."

If you pay your tithing you won't have a problem during this economic crisis we currently face.

People being laid off, families losing their homes, parents unable to find jobs, and the advice from above... pay your tithing.

:sad:

~td~


Interestingly the nationally known get out of debt guru Dave Ramsey see www.daveramsey.com also advises to pay tithing.

Of course Ramsey is an evangelical Christian as well do his thinking must be distorted.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Runtu wrote:I've heard that the number of senior couples leaving home for a full-time mission is way down due to the bad economy (401K's getting killed and all that), so the emphasis (at least in my area) has been on senior couples doing "local missions" (part-time and they continue to live at home).



I have read that there are about 1600 couple missionaries world wide. And there is a large need for many more.

Yes some of what they do are things that the Church could hire people for. Other things are more voluntary in nature. I enjoy thumbing through a monthly list that comes from SLC and that is posted on the bulletin board of our ward. There are actually quite a few opportunities that would appeal to me were I retired. And if one can really have their pick then maybe I would do one of these with my wife one day. I think staying actively engaged is important when retired. Sure there are a lot of ways to do that. A Church mission is just one of them.
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Dr. Shades wrote:Was this guy operating under a quota or something? I can't believe he'd get so worked up about something that doesn't affect him at all.

The stint he was describing doesn't sound like a mission at all. If he's acting on orders from above, then it sounds like the brethren are more interested in filling missionary slots and getting numbers (of missionaries) than they are about people doing actual mission work.


Actually couple missionaries can have a fairly normal life in their off time. What he described is pretty accurate.
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Jason Bourne wrote:Actually couple missionaries can have a fairly normal life in their off time. What he described is pretty accurate.

Since when does missionary work involve "off time?"
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Jason Bourne wrote:Interestingly the nationally known get out of debt guru Dave Ramsey see http://www.daveramsey.com also advises to pay tithing.

Of course Ramsey is an evangelical Christian as well do his thinking must be distorted.


I've never seen a "personal financial program" of any sort that didn't involve giving some portion of money to charity (and they usually seem to peg it at 10%). I'm not talking about "how to get rich" type books, but "how to use your money to live a quality life" type books. I think there are valid psychological benefits to paying a "tithe" for anyone, apart from spiritual benefits and avoidance of getting burned to death as punishment from God.

And I certainly don't begrudge the Church their privilege of "reinforcing" the principle of tithing. I have no doubt the leaders are 100% sincere in their convictions.

That being said, I think LDS seriously overestimate the practical implications of tithing, and when we strip away the cliches and anecdotes, there really isn't a whole lot of "there" there. I introduced this idea in a thread at MA&D, and it was subsequently confirmed in the following discussion:

The Blessings of Tithing

In the end, it may turn out there really isn't any consistent or reliable benefit to paying LDS tithing when compared to paying 10% to a different Church or charity.
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Re: Begging for missionaries

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Dr. Shades wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:Actually couple missionaries can have a fairly normal life in their off time. What he described is pretty accurate.

Since when does missionary work involve "off time?"


Couple Missionaries usually work about 10-12 hours a day and are supposed to take some time off. They're supposed to go on dates and see movies and do whatever in their off time.
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Re: Begging for missionaries

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The Nehor wrote:Couple Missionaries usually work about 10-12 hours a day and are supposed to take some time off. They're supposed to go on dates and see movies and do whatever in their off time.

The regular missionaries would benefit greatly from equivalent privileges.
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