Obama is not eligible for President and how it's covered up

[_bcspace]

Avoision.

Ask yourself why Obama won't release his actual birth certificate which the state of Hawaii says it has. Why would Obama only release a certificate stating he has a birth certificate?

Because he doesn't want to bend over backwards for every crackpot conspiracy theorist and their delusions?

That would only prove that Oh bomb us himself is delusional. Interesting that this Hawaiian certificate is the one they issue when someone is not born in that state. So what state was he born in? Your lack of knowledge on this proves your ignorance as well as your contempt for the constitution.

[_JohnStuartMill]

That would only prove that Oh bomb us himself is delusional. Interesting that this Hawaiian certificate is the one they issue when someone is not born in that state.

CFR (John Bircher websites don't count).

[_Tiktaalik]

Avoision.

Ask yourself why Obama won't release his actual birth certificate which the state of Hawaii says it has. Why would Obama only release a certificate stating he has a birth certificate?

Because he doesn't want to bend over backwards for every crackpot conspiracy theorist and their delusions?

That would only prove that Oh bomb us himself is delusional. Interesting that this Hawaiian certificate is the one they issue when someone is not born in that state.

Yes, CFR please.

So what state was he born in? Your lack of knowledge on this proves your ignorance as well as your contempt for the constitution.

There's no evidence that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.

[_cinepro]

Avoision.

Ask yourself why Obama won't release his actual birth certificate which the state of Hawaii says it has. Why would Obama only release a certificate stating he has a birth certificate?

The certificate says "Certificate of Live Birth" across the top. The actual certificate that is pictured is, in fact, and actual birth certificate.

BCspace, a birth certificate is a piece of paper. The government does whatever it can to make it a unique and meaningful document, but ultimately, it's just a fancy piece of paper (and that piece of paper is probably now just a paper record of data stored in a computer). A person can have many copies of a birth certificate. I have two. I have sent copies to different colleges and local governments for various purposes. And each copy was as valid as the other.

So your argument boils down to you for some reason not liking the fancy piece of paper they have produced, and stating that you would find a different fancy piece of paper to be more convincing and authoritative. Is that really the case?

And what do you mean "release"? How do you "release" an "actual birth certificate"? Do you just show it to people? Do you send it to everyone that has a doubt about his birth place? Is that a good thing to do with an original document? Should they setup a little viewing room in Hawaii (at government expense) where any interested person (both Obama worshippers and doubting Thomases alike) can come and view the birth certificate as it sits in plexiglass?

If you are suggesting there is some way for you to have "verified" Obama's birth place without actually seeing the birth certificate, then you would have to explain why your methodology is more sound than the one we have right now: The Government of Hawaii has released a certified, official copy of a birth certificate that in every way is as valid as an original.

[_bcspace]

That would only prove that Oh bomb us himself is delusional. Interesting that this Hawaiian certificate is the one they issue when someone is not born in that state.

CFR (John Bircher websites don't count).

Show us an image of his original long form birth certificate. Since the short form that was posted can be issued for children born overseas, all Obama has to do is show us the original.

[_JohnStuartMill]

All I have is a short form birth certificate. Am I a scary Muslim terrorist?

[_JohnStuartMill]

Show us an image of his original long form birth certificate. Since the short form that was posted can be issued for children born overseas, all Obama has to do is show us the original.

Well, I hope to God that you're organizing a militia to assassinate this Manchurian president.

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What's that? You're not? Well, then forgive me if I think that you're just talking out of your ass, and don't believe a word of what you're saying.

[_Tiktaalik]

Show us an image of his original long form birth certificate.

Do you have your long form birth certificate? I don't have mine, but my short-form one states the date and place of my birth.

You might find this interesting: "The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department."
-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Since the short form that was posted can be issued for children born overseas

CFR.

[_truth dancer]

BC, I'm curious how you think this whole conspiracy played out, In other words, who is to blame? Are there some people in Hawaii who were paid off? Did someone fabricate a birth certificate to give to the press? Did President Obama sneak into the building and forge some documents?

Hmmm...

[_bcspace]

You might find this interesting: "The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department."
-http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Yet the long form is the one that shows birth hospital and attending physician.

BC, I'm curious how you think this whole conspiracy played out, In other words, who is to blame? Are there some people in Hawaii who were paid off? Did someone fabricate a birth certificate to give to the press? Did President Obama sneak into the building and forge some documents?

No. I think he and his campaign have successfully circumvented the release of the long form because it probably does not include the claimed information that he was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

Since there was a period of time in which a person over the age of one could apply for a short form bc that does not include the actual information, the long form must be shown to satisfy these questions. It really is as simple as that. There is no valid reason for Obama to prevent others from releasing a copy of this form.