Further Proof there is No God

[_asbestosman]

If I were to continue along the analogy, I'd modify it by asserting that I'm a perfectly moral being. Therefore, you have no right to conclude my actions were not perfectly good, right? After all, if I was a perfectly moral being, it is entirely possible I have good reasons beyond your ken for doing what I did.

And I from my perspective would always condemn it because it is impossible for me to accept what I see as pointless or inexcusable suffering just as I would always condemn a dictator who tried to justify his atrocities even if said dictator claimed he was perfectly moral and had a higher perspective.

I think you are referring to the 12 officers parable?

http://www.vuletic.com/hume/at/12.html

Yes, 12. One of these days after I master multilinear algebra and maybe some topology or differential geometry, I'll go back and learn how to count.

[_asbestosman]

I think it has to do with the difference between our perspective of death, and God's.

Meet the ninth officer:

"I'll let you in on a secret," said the ninth officer. "Moments after Ms. K. flatlined, I had her resuscitated, and flown to a tropical resort where she is now experiencing extraordinary bliss, and her ordeal is just a distant memory. I'm sure you would agree that that's more than adequate compensation for her suffering, so the fact that I just stood there watching instead of intervening has no bearing at all on my goodness."

And yet somehow I wonder if you aren't on the right track. Still, I can't help but condemn the ninth officer.

[_The Nehor]

Absolutely. Walk into your kitchen or courthouse and you will see. Go on, now.

I tried, I got mugged on the way to the courthouse. I had to walk because my car was stolen. I can't afford a new one due to taxes higher then those of King Noah.

[_The Nehor]

So God is really evil, unworthy of worship, and, consequently, could just as easily be playing a joke on you with that whole Mormonism thing just the same as telling the truth. Got it.

It'd be worth it as long as the joke was funny.

My life motto:

"Life is a joke and it's being played on me. The secret is to find the humor in it so I'm laughing with God at the whole thing."

[_Roger Morrison]

However, there IS a force of life that cannot be manipulated, call it what you will.

We manipulate life and death all the time. I'm not sure what you're asserting when you say there's a "life force" or "god-is-a-moniker-for-life-force".

Why can't the Universe just be, as far we can know, what is observed? Natural law and natural affairs don't seem to have any regard for creating and destroying anything and everything. There's no more a "life force" behind it all, that I can see, than there is a god. The only concession I'll give anyone on this matter is we humans exist at a certain temporal time and space which limits us to seeing the universe through that kind of constraint. We cannot possibly know anything outside of our existential state. That's a sad fact of our biological reality.

Now. If a "life force" or "god" exists in an all-encompassing time and space reality then it follows we'd be as aware of it as DNA sequencer would be aware that it lives inside a human being, flower, or fish.

OK Bro, you do challenge my thoughts. Possibly because I have not made my position on the topic clear??? I agree the Universe IS JUST BEING what it IS: Something we are attempting to fathom. In this religion plays no usefull purpose. In fact, historically it has sabotaged human understanding, because Universal truth reveals the absurdities of religious teachings as they apply to the sciences...

Try this: Sun seems to rise-&-set. We know that isn't the case, but some force(s) keep earth spining and in place. I don't think we can manipulate that. While at the same time we can take advantage of that, and most natural phenomenons, as our knowledge increases...

The "moniker" "God" et al is/are simply terms applied, to whatever keeps the Universe working, by ancients with an imaginative limited vocabulary. The title/term/moniker "God" could well be replaced by "Ya-ba-da-ba-doooo" without effecting anything but tradition...

Anyway, when ya knows what there is, and what there ain't, the hope of believers in the Biblical teaching about "God" seems a sad state of denial of reality... To each their own.
Roger
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[_JohnStuartMill]

And I from my perspective would always condemn it because it is impossible for me to accept what I see as pointless or inexcusable suffering just as I would always condemn a dictator who tried to justify his atrocities even if said dictator claimed he was perfectly moral and had a higher perspective.

It seems like you have a higher standard for dictators than for God.

Also, how much can a person believe all this "God has a higher perspective" stuff, and still be able to make any sense of the statement "God is good"? What does it mean to say that "God is good" if it's impossible for us to judge His actions?

[_huckelberry]

comparing dictators and God,

Seems a very remote comparison. Dictators intentionally hurt people and contribute little positive good. If there is a God then God is the source of all the good of which you and I are aware of. I see life as worth the pain, sorry some do not.

[_antishock8]

Dictators intentionally hurt people and contribute little positive good. If there is a God then God is the source of all the good of which you and I are aware of.

God, as understood by monotheistic religions here on earth, is the Destroyer as much as He is the Life Giver. He murdered everything on Earth with a flood. He created death, Satan, and Hell. He is as responsible for bad things as He is for good things. He is Alpha and Omega.

Your notions of God don't fall in line with any religion that claims knowledge of God as supported by the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, or the Book of Mormon for that matter. I take it you're a Deist of some sort?

[_John Larsen]

Dictators intentionally hurt people and contribute little positive good. If there is a God then God is the source of all the good of which you and I are aware of.

God, as understood by monotheistic religions here on earth, is the Destroyer as much as He is the Life Giver. He murdered everything on Earth with a flood. He created death, Satan, and Hell. He is as responsible for bad things as He is for good things. He is Alpha and Omega.

Your notions of God don't fall in line with any religion that claims knowledge of God as supported by the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, or the Book of Mormon for that matter. I take it you're a Deist of some sort?

Don't forget that Jesus is coming back wearing a robe soaked in human blood.

[_harmony]

For all of man's brilliance and science, not once have we managed to create human life from dust.