harmony wrote:I am, after all, only harmony... and expendable.
Come on. The faux self-pity, the drama queen victimhood-pose, is transparently inappropriate after the way you've behaved on this thread.
marg wrote:Did you see this exchange in the Celestial, Harmony?
marg is referring to this:
Muslim womenmarg wrote:Ajax mentions that it looks like women wearing full covering garb are happy, T.D. responds with a counter and specifically mentions wearing a hijab, so the 2 of them are talking about a ful body face covering outfit. DCP's added comment is that he knows women who willingly and happily choose traditional Islamic garb. Since the context of the discussion is a burka it is reasonable to assume that is what he's referring to, if not he certainly should have made it clear.
The context is absolutely
not a discussion of the
burka.
Re-read the exchange.
I've made it clear in numerous venues for many years that I find the
burka an abomination. Don't equate the
hijab -- or, more precisely, the
khimar -- with the
burka. They're quite distinct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijabmarg wrote:Where is his empathy for women in this situation? He appears to have none.
I repeat: Even if it could be demonstrated that I have absolutely no empathy for women, and that I require my own wife to wear a
burka, that would be irrelevant to the question -- which is and has been the focus of this discussion -- whether or not Islam, as such, punishes the education of women. Insulting me, seeking to portray me as a monster, won't erase the statements on this subject from Muhammad, won't wipe away the statistics I've cited, won't make Tarski's three graduate students or my
khimar-wearing editorial assistant go away, won't turn the Taliban into mainstream Muslims, and won't overturn the principles of basic logic.
marg wrote:ajax18 wrote: "In my experience, Islamic women in their full covering and dress don't strike me as depressed or abused. They seem proud of their religious convictions and walk with their heads held high. I think they're happy because they believe in the promises offered them in the next life as well. I don't think this attitude is the result of being beaten down and conditioned to believe they have less potential for happiness than men do. They must see their own good in it somewhere."
T.D: "There is a big difference between women wearing a hijab by choice and women who can't be seen in public without a man, who have to walk behind men, and who are invisible in society, and beaten by their husbands with the blessings of Allah. [emphasis added by DCP]
Have you ever actually spoken to women who live this way?
Would YOU like living this way? (Not being able to leave your home without a full black cover where you peek out of the black netting of your mask)? Where you have virtually no rights? Where you can't drive a car? Have to walk behind women and girls as an inferior being?"
DCP: "I've met plenty of such Muslim women myself. [DCP: Marg omits my quotation of ajax's comment here, which makes absolutely plain that I'm referring to his post, and not to TD's. That omission serves her design of demonizing me, which is why Harmony has received it with glee and satisfaction.]
There are, obviously, many oppressed women in the Islamic world. But there are many who willingly and happily choose for themselves to adopt traditional Islamic garb. I know several of them, and I know some of them reasonably well."
