Ethics Scenario

[_Dr. Shades]

Likewise, if she is getting spousal support she may be entitled to an increase if his salary increases. That's the law.

It may be legal, but is it ethical?

Any way you look at it, it is poor character to lie or to advise lying about one's income in mandatory government proceedings.

No kidding. Never, at any point in time, did I advocate lying in mandatory government proceedings.

Once more, here is what I said:

"How did she find out that you got a raise?

If I was in your shoes, I think I'd start claiming every so often that your pay had been cut."

Note the phrases "She find out" and "every so often." When outside a courtroom, defending one's wallet against a person to whom one is not married seems perfectly reasonable.

I don't care if he makes an effort to defend against such confiscation, . . .

Then why are we arguing?

. . . but lying about it would throw him in the klink and would cause his lawyer to lose his license.

Not if he lied about it outside a court of law. Are you being purposefully obtuse, or are you honestly not getting this extremely simple concept?

If a thug came up to you and said, "Is your wallet in your back pocket," would you be thrown in the klink and would your lawyer lose his or her license if you said, "I don't have my wallet with me?"

I imagine as you read this thinking to yourself -- well, its ok to lie to the mother of my children and her divorce lawyer as long as I don't get caught. Right on, bro.

Don't attorneys lie all the time when pleading their clients' cases?

Abuser of women's rights.

If you look at any woman's title who has over 200 posts on this board, then you'll see that I beat the church itself in granting women the priesthood. :-)

It is people like you who cause single mothers to live in poverty while ex-husband fathers party on their boats in Willard Bay. It is people like you who cause divorce proceedings to be so expensive and oppressive against out-of-money mothers. Amazing.

And it is people like you who cause single fathers to live in poverty by assisting their ex-wives to rape them for more money. Amazing indeed.

[_GoodK]

If you were hurt over a period of time when you were there why didn't you are don't you sue them. Take the facts to an attorney.

Oh I am. In fact, the lawyer I have retained has had success litigating against the Mormon church before.

It's funny how the non-Mormons are outraged by claims of child abuse, while self-professed Mormon apologists, lawyers, BYU professors and general message board nincompoops not only support it but will defend it at almost any cost.

Weird.

I saw it mentioned earlier in the thread that with their license number, one should be able to find documentation of investigations of abuse, lawsuits, etc.

I don't know if anyone has been over to MormonGulag.com recently, but I have looked this information up and have posted the two instances I have found on record under "Legal Issues and News."

[_asbestosman]

It's funny how the non-Mormons are outraged by claims of child abuse, while self-professed Mormon apologists, lawyers, BYU professors and general message board nincompoops not only support it but will defend it at almost any cost.

CFR.

I don't support or defend child abuse. I don't even doubt that you witnessed and suffered abuse. The only thing I doubt is that the church condones such abuse. Such a thing is the antithesis of everything the church has taught me.

[_karl61]

If you were hurt over a period of time when you were there why didn't you are don't you sue them. Take the facts to an attorney.

Oh I am. In fact, the lawyer I have retained has had success litigating against the Mormon church before.

It's funny how the non-Mormons are outraged by claims of child abuse, while self-professed Mormon apologists, lawyers, BYU professors and general message board nincompoops not only support it but will defend it at almost any cost.

Weird.

I saw it mentioned earlier in the thread that with their license number, one should be able to find documentation of investigations of abuse, lawsuits, etc.

I don't know if anyone has been over to MormonGulag.com recently, but I have looked this information up and have posted the two instances I have found on record under "Legal Issues and News."

you should have fun in discovery then.

[_rcrocket]

Not if he lied about it outside a court of law. Are you being purposefully obtuse, or are you honestly not getting this extremely simple concept?

Simply astounding.

Go ahead and teach your male children that it is OK to abandon one's spouse and children and then lie outside of court about a financial matter in which the mother of your children has a legal stake.

That really is despicable. And, I just don't see the point in you justifying this behavior by pointing to all sorts of irrelevant facts.

And it is people like you who cause single fathers to live in poverty by assisting their ex-wives to rape them for more money. Amazing indeed.

I do no such thing. But, any father who lies about his income to avoid legitimate obligations to the mother of his children ought not only to live in poverty but in jail.

[_rcrocket]

It's funny how the non-Mormons are outraged by claims of child abuse, while self-professed Mormon apologists, lawyers, BYU professors and general message board nincompoops not only support it but will defend it at almost any cost.

Weird.

I don't support it. As I have said, I'd never advise sending any kid there.

I just think you are making it up, or at least the worst of it. If you were serious about it, you'd make a serious complaint about it rather than waxing rhetorically around the planet and attracting the mighty Kos' attention.

Are you going to threaten to report me to the California State Bar again for offending you on this board? Don't do it; I will have to make yet another useless report to my carrier.

Are you going to make, again, disgusting sexual references about one my children? Don't. Please.

[_GoodK]

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I don't support it.

Yes you do.

Are you going to ...

The only thing I'm going to do is keep ignoring idiotic posts from you like the one above (and the bulk of your output).


Shoo fly, don't bother me.


P.S

Say hello to [name deleted] for me.

[_GoodK]

you should have fun in discovery then.

Without a doubt, I look forward to discovery and depositions the most.

[_rcrocket]

Let's review GoodK's posts. We've been treated to an old chestnut, the "Mormon Gulag," a tale of disgusting abuse in a "Mormon" church facility in Utah. We are told that he has "engaged a lawyer" presumably, it appears, to sue the Church. And, quite a story it is.

The problem we see, however, and it is a problem that some of you see, is that his story is not corroborated by any official investigation. Now, what are we to make of this? One explanation, the one I tend to favor, is that the original story is bogus and for that reason no investigation is forthcoming. Investigation of child abuse has the highest priority, I can assure you, in any state.

Another explanation, one of which I am not entire sure, is that GoodK just hasn't made his complaint correctly yet. Oh yes, he gets to practice his unschooled and unlettered rhetoric (it is getting a little better as time goes on; but, he probably thinks that the "Classics" means Led Zeppelin) on the internet, but not on a complaint form.

Another explanation, and it is GoodK's, and it is the one Liz falls for hook line and sinker, but the rest of you seem perhaps a little reserved on the issue, is that there is a massive conspiracy. A conspiracy consisting of the highest of church officials, child care workers, the police, and the operators of the Utah Boys' Ranch. You bet -- conspiracy might be the easiest story to swallow!!!

And then, we are treated with a story about an excommunicated bishop. Gee, should GoodK expose this poor fellow and ruin his life? Never mind that this poor correspondent was excoriated by GoodK for sending an email to GoodK's father (turned out, bad email address and I didn't follow up) alerting him to calumny being spread on this board by GoodK about his father, mother and sister. No, don't pay attention to that public humiliation of this correspondent. Rather, should we spread slander and gossip about a man with a job and family? For what? For the personal satisfaction and malice of it!!!

But, do we think GoodK's story about this bishop is true? (Do we think that Runtu's story recently posted was true?) You bet. We accept it all -- hook, line and sinker. (Runtu - can I test your story? Who was the GA involved?) How sinister it all appears, but how false it could easily be.

[_GoodK]

It's Friday night, Bob. I suggest you go spend time with your wife.