Peterson Pace - "Those who can, do ....."

[_antishock8]

I totally disagree. It's their strict interpretation of Islam, to limit the contact of women with men, and to prevent their women from receiving a "vulgar" Western education that compels them to stop women from receiving an education. It's EXACTLY an Islamic attitude that is causal in this case.

But Dr. Peterson mentioned that the hadith itself advocates giving women an education.

So, isn't their interpretation, at least as far as the education of women is concerned, out of harmony (no pun intended) with a strict interpretation of Islam?

It's about priorites, Dr. Shades. If you were an Islamist state, and a scholar of the Quran and Hadiths, you have to figure out what's most important to enforce first, and then second, and then third, so on and so forth. The Taliban aren't against women being educated per se, but it's something that should be done in total exclusion and isolation where risk of contact with men, who isn't a husband or immediate family, is zero. And until that happens any girls who turn 8 are withdrawn from school and either married off or sent home. Their education is less important than them being exposed to men. Way less. Like... Way down that priority list. So, sure.. They can say they're for education, but as long as it's compliant with their laws, based on their interpretation of Shariah.

Speaking of which...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/04/ ... .marriage/

What are the odds this little girl's mother's appeal will win? What are the odds that this girl, growing up in the most pious Muslim country, will go on to be one of Dr. Peterson's female physicist friends? What are the odds, that ANY girl, in the Islamic world, that is married off will end up being highly educated and a light on the hill for the rest of us to marvel at?

So. This goes back to Islamic priorities. Sure, Muslim males aren't totally adverse to women being educated, as long as it suits them. Women don't really have a say in their world... If they end up being educated it's most likely an anamoly rather than the norm.

[_harmony]

Yeah, the difference is HALF the Islamic world holds a strict interpretation of Islam as outlined by their ulemahs. It's called Shariah law. And it's Islamic. That's 500 million Muslims that are "FLDS" in a sense.

Is this the part the Taliban adheres to? Or are they off on their own?

The rest? Apostates. Jack-Muslims, so to speak. Shiites. Secularist or "ethnic" Muslims.

There is a BIG difference and it's an equivocation to equate FLDS'ism with Sunni Islam.

Well, it's like trying to use general population numbers to describe disparity populations. The numbers are accurate for general population, but not accurate for any other population.

[_The Nehor]

The Taliban is to Islam as the FLDS is to Mormonism.

The FLDS have a strict interpretation of Joseph Smith's Mormonism.

Except for the parts they made up and the parts they don't follow.

[_harmony]

It's about priorites, Dr. Shades. If you were an Islamist state, and a scholar of the Quran and Hadiths, you have to figure out what's most important to enforce first, and then second, and then third, so on and so forth. The Taliban aren't against women being educated per se, but it's something that should be done in total exclusion and isolation where risk of contact with men, who isn't a husband or immediate family, is zero. And until that happens any girls who turn 8 are withdrawn from school and either married off or sent home. Their education is less important than them being exposed to men. Way less. Like... Way down that priority list. So, sure.. They can say they're for education, but as long as it's compliant with their laws, based on their interpretation of Shariah.

[snip]

So. This goes back to Islamic priorities. Sure, Muslim males aren't totally adverse to women being educated, as long as it suits them. Women don't really have a say in their world... If they end up being educated it's most likely an anamoly rather than the norm.

The norm in Afghanistan is for 87% of the women to be illiterate. Educated Afghan women are definitely an anamoly there. Interesting how it's easy to blame the Taliban, as if they weren't Muslim at all, yet the Taliban's brand of Islam manages to impact such a huge percentage, while the other brand... the brand in power... only manages to impact 13%. And they all live in the same country, under the same conditions, under the same government, under the same religion.

AS8, I want you to know that I feel I've misjudged you all this time. I thought you were a lightweight jackass, but on this thread, you have shown some very applicable insight into a problem that some of us, at least, are willing to deny exists.

Thank you.

Oh, and I doubt your posts are going to endear you to Daniel, but that's probably not high on your list anyway.

[_harmony]

The Taliban is to Islam as the FLDS is to Mormonism.

The FLDS have a strict interpretation of Joseph Smith's Mormonism.

Except for the parts they made up and the parts they don't follow.

Well, they follow the parts Joseph made up pretty well. Surely that should count for something!

[_The Nehor]

Well, they follow the parts Joseph made up pretty well. Surely that should count for something!

Joseph was anti-education, isolationist, hateful of outside culture, and trying to live in the past in terms of dress, methods of labor, and technology?

I don't think so. Again the superficial comparison.

[_Dr. Shades]

It's about priorites, Dr. Shades. If you were an Islamist state, and a scholar of the Quran and Hadiths, you have to figure out what's most important to enforce first, and then second, and then third, so on and so forth. The Taliban aren't against women being educated per se, but it's something that should be done in total exclusion and isolation where risk of contact with men, who isn't a husband or immediate family, is zero. And until that happens any girls who turn 8 are withdrawn from school and either married off or sent home. Their education is less important than them being exposed to men. Way less. Like... Way down that priority list. So, sure.. They can say they're for education, but as long as it's compliant with their laws, based on their interpretation of Shariah.

You make some excellent points, antishock8. Thanks for your post.

[_harmony]

Joseph was anti-education, isolationist, hateful of outside culture, and trying to live in the past in terms of dress, methods of labor, and technology?

I don't think so. Again the superficial comparison.

Sec 132= a part Joseph made up.

[_The Nehor]

Joseph was anti-education, isolationist, hateful of outside culture, and trying to live in the past in terms of dress, methods of labor, and technology?

I don't think so. Again the superficial comparison.

Sec 132= a part Joseph made up.

So if a culture has polygamy we can assume it's pretty much equivalent to every other polygamous culture in existence? If we can do the same with monogamy a lot of anthropologists are going to lose their jobs.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Interesting how it's easy to blame the Taliban, as if they weren't Muslim at all

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yet the Taliban's brand of Islam manages to impact such a huge percentage, while the other brand... the brand in power... only manages to impact 13%.

So you assume that, if the government in Kabul had complete control of Afghanistan, the Afghan literacy rate would very soon be 100%? Like, say, the literacy rates in nearby India, Iran, Bangladesh, and Pakistan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... eracy_rate

The Third World is a very backward place, and many factors contribute to that backwardness.

And they all live . . . under the same government

The Taliban are at war with the government. (This has been in the news, I think.)