Roger Morrison wrote:Like it or not, and while it might rile many Mormon sensitivities, the LDS Church's reason for being is to replace ALL of the untrue Christian Churches that "God" (supposedly) told 15 year old Joseph Smith, in the Sacred Grove, were "...an abomination..."
No, the teaching is that the creeds are an abomination and that 'those professors' (presumably those Joseph knew) were corrupt.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Roger Morrison wrote:Like it or not, and while it might rile many Mormon sensitivities, the LDS Church's reason for being is to replace ALL of the untrue Christian Churches that "God" (supposedly) told 15 year old Joseph Smith, in the Sacred Grove, were "...an abomination..."
No, the teaching is that the creeds are an abomination and that 'those professors' (presumably those Joseph knew) were corrupt.
Thanks for your bit of clarity. However, Joseph was told to, "...join none of them, for they were all wrong...their creeds were an abomination..." Hence the necessity of the "restoration".
Your 'presumtion' seems very presumptous. It suggests, there were no other "corrupt" teachers making all (churches & their creeds) wrong. Quite a stretch.
Which is beside the point of the LDS purpose to promelgate the Only True Church--TCoJCoLDS. I don't think that can honestly denied or didputed... Roger * *
Have you noticed what a beautiful day it is? Some can't... "God": nick-name for the Universe...
The Nehor wrote:No, the teaching is that the creeds are an abomination and that 'those professors' (presumably those Joseph knew) were corrupt.
Thanks for your bit of clarity. However, Joseph was told to, "...join none of them, for they were all wrong...their creeds were an abomination..." Hence the necessity of the "restoration".
Your 'presumtion' seems very presumptous. It suggests, there were no other "corrupt" teachers making all (churches & their creeds) wrong. Quite a stretch.
Which is beside the point of the LDS purpose to promelgate the Only True Church--TCoJCoLDS. I don't think that can honestly denied or didputed... Roger * *
I don't doubt that there are and were other corrupt teachers. I just don't think that the Savior was speaking universally when talking with Joseph.
That all other Churchs are wrong I have no problem with. I do not accuse all other teachers of religion or their followers of being corrupt though.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I don't doubt that there are and were other corrupt teachers. I just don't think that the Savior was speaking universally when talking with Joseph.
That all other Churchs are wrong I have no problem with. I do not accuse all other teachers of religion or their followers of being corrupt though.
Nor does any other thinking LDS. However, you nor they set the policies and edicts of the Mormon Church. The church that is committed to converting the human race to Mormonism by inducing its youth, and others, to commit themselves to volunteer 2 years of their life to that service.
We both did that because we thought it was the right thing to do. Some still bekieve that. Others no longer do. But the deed was done to whatever end... Roger
Have you noticed what a beautiful day it is? Some can't... "God": nick-name for the Universe...
Roger Morrison wrote:Nor does any other thinking LDS. However, you nor they set the policies and edicts of the Mormon Church. The church that is committed to converting the human race to Mormonism by inducing its youth, and others, to commit themselves to volunteer 2 years of their life to that service.
We both did that because we thought it was the right thing to do. Some still bekieve that. Others no longer do. But the deed was done to whatever end... Roger * *
I have a hard time feeling sorry for the weak-willed who went when they didn't want to.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I have a hard time feeling sorry for the weak-willed who went when they didn't want to.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that Nehor, but I would have thought that someone who does something even though they don't want to, is strong-willed, rather than weak-willed.
Mary
"It's a little like the Confederate Constitution guaranteeing the freedom to own slaves. Irony doesn't exist for bigots or fanatics." Maksutov
I have a hard time feeling sorry for the weak-willed who went when they didn't want to.
It was either that or be disowned by your family and left to face the world alone. Or if you go along with it, you get help through college and other necessary development to make it in the world. I concur that going on the mission is extreme, but I didn't really know just what the mission would require of me when I signed up either. Nor did anyone care to inform me until I'd already made a commitment. The leaderships excuse was that if I knew I wouldn't have went, which was probably true for me as well as many others. It always struck me as odd that so many LDS love the story of the frog in the warm water that slowly heats up to a boil. Doesn't the church do the same thing? I almost felt like an expert at it myself as a missionary. It all hinges on whether it's true or not.
But many people continue to go to Church for the sole purpose of family harmony. In fact, that's part of what most bishops remind people of when they do decide to step up and have their names removed.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I LOVED my mission! I truly believed in the church and I felt like I was making the world a better place. I was serving in a country filled with poverty, and I felt that bringing them the gospel and the law of tithing would help them improve their lives financially as well. Never before or since have I felt so needed and that I was doing such good in the world.
I had only 14 baptisms, and that was because I spent more than half my time in welfare services. The missionaries in my mission were baptizing lots of people.
I later learned that up in the altiplano missionaries had been promising refrigerators and other items to poor people if they would get baptized. In fact, my prez had been sent in to clean up the mission. It was large and there were a lot of missionaries in isolated places who got into a lot of trouble.
Some enterprising missionaries learned to imitate our President's voice, and played lots of practical jokes on other missionaries - calling them to be zone leaders and such.
One thing that shocked me on my mission was that the promises of "if I worked hard and followed all the rules" we would have tons of baptisms - that didn't come true. It also came as a shock to witness the pressure that fellow missionaries put on potential converts. I didn't believe in pressuring people.
the very last girl I baptized before I left made me swear to her that I knew the church was true. She made me promise that if I was lying to her she would meet me in hell in the next life. I swore to her that it was true. But I really felt nervous because although I totally believed the church was true and had felt the spirit many times I didn't really KNOW the church was true (how can anyone really KNOW such a thing?). That was a very unnerving experience.
I hope I never run into her again.
That being said, I loved the whole experience and have never regretted it, even though I no longer believe the church is true.
"Brigham said the day would come when thousands would be made Eunuchs in order for them to be saved in the kingdom of God." (Wilford Woodruff's Diary, June 2, 1857, Vol. 5, pages 54-55)
Roger Morrison wrote: However, Joseph was told to, "...join none of them, for they were all wrong...their creeds were an abomination..." Hence the necessity of the "restoration".
And what did that danged kid do? Turned right around and joined the Methodists. Sounds like he really took that warning to heart, doesn't it?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.