Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This crap.

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_marg

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _marg »

Jersey Girl wrote:
The people whose information was posted (actually I think it was just crock's) did not disclose that information here on the board themselves.


Crock has revealed information about himself, that's his schtick. He's given his name, what he does for a living, all one need to is a people search to get the information Eric gave.

My opinion is that it's bad form, wrong headed and creates a hostile environment. A little back and forth, a little insult here and there, I have no problem with. Someone out to piss off everyone in sight, yeah, I have a problem with that.


It's also bad form to contact relatives of posters with the intend of squealing on the poster and which could only possibly damage the relationships involved. And it's also bad form to taunt someone one has already been harmed by taunts and abuse previously or claimed to have been. And even if DCP is not 100% sure Eric has been abused emotionally, given what's been said, he should have taken that into consideration that it possibly is true and not mistreated Eric verbally on the board in the way he did.

Anyhow, I have no interest in carrying on conversations regarding this. It will likely be my last post on this matter.
_Pokatator
_Emeritus
Posts: 1417
Joined: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:38 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _Pokatator »

It was and has been "bad form" on both sides. But I can't believe how so many here think that DCP was so innocent in all this.

He knew what he was doing when he chose Eric for his test. He knew what issues to bring up because his has inside information obtained from Eric's father and family members. His actions were calculated and deliberate. GoodK's actions were emotional and reactionary not calculated and deliberate. DCP knew the predictable actions of Goodk and was cruel and hurtful enough to go for it. He got the show he wanted.

I too like the old board where we self regulated, just like what has been happening here all day. I am not for banning except in the most egregious cases and I don't feel this has gone to that level yet. I also fail to see how this is going to destroy the board.

I am going to try to follow Marg's lead and try to make this my last post on this matter......I said try.
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably.
bcspace
_Calculus Crusader
_Emeritus
Posts: 1495
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:52 am

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _Calculus Crusader »

Some Schmo wrote:
But DCP is like herpes. He'll be back.


That is a comment I would associate with a mind of your caliber.
Caeli enarrant gloriam Dei

(I lost access to my Milesius account, so I had to retrieve this one from the mothballs.)
_moksha
_Emeritus
Posts: 22508
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:42 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _moksha »

Pokatator wrote:It was and has been "bad form" on both sides. But I can't believe how so many here think that DCP was so innocent in all this.


No need to establish guilt or innocence. As Asbestosman and Harmony have also been saying, slinging mud is bad form and should stop.

Now. :exclaim:
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
_why me
_Emeritus
Posts: 9589
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:19 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _why me »

Pokatator wrote:
I too like the old board where we self regulated, just like what has been happening here all day. I am not for banning except in the most egregious cases and I don't feel this has gone to that level yet. I also fail to see how this is going to destroy the board.

The old board if I remember correctly was a place where a couple or so posters were allowed to slapstick LDS posters at will. It was not a pleasant place at all. It was not self regulated unless of course it was self regulated and pleasant before my time here.

The current atmosphere will destroy the board because very few people need such a mess in their lives. Everyone here has a life outside the internet and to come to a board that is filled with hate and threats would not be in the best interest of an individual, unless someone enjoys that atmosphere.

I suppose that one needs to put themselves into the mind of a lurker. What would a lurker think reading the last few threads about the people on this board? Can we use some adjectives?

In regards to DCP, some terrible things have been said about him on this board and on RFM. If he would take out a lawsuit on every poster who said a vile thing about him and won, he would be a rich man. He retracted his statement in the next post. That should have sufficed.

Also, if the moderation was on the ball, his statement would have been deleted pronto. Instead it was allowed to sit there on the thread. It should have least have been red lettered. It all just got out of hand...but I do believe that it is all winding down now. Maybe, things will get back to normal.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world.
Joseph Smith


We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…”
Joseph Smith
_Pokatator
_Emeritus
Posts: 1417
Joined: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:38 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _Pokatator »

why me wrote:The old board if I remember correctly was a place where a couple or so posters were allowed to slapstick LDS posters at will. It was not a pleasant place at all. It was not self regulated unless of course it was self regulated and pleasant before my time here.


It was being self regulated. Many posters on all sides was taking efforts to bring it under control by consensus. I can still understand how someone can become so unselfcontrolled that they need to be banned. I am just not a fan of that until all avenues have been exhausted. Perhaps they were exhausted and thus the need for a change. Maybe? Maybe I have more tolerance than some or I ignore better than some.

The current atmosphere will destroy the board because very few people need such a mess in their lives. Everyone here has a life outside the internet and to come to a board that is filled with hate and threats would not be in the best interest of an individual, unless someone enjoys that atmosphere.


I don't enjoy that atmosphere, so we agree. But it is early, too early to make wholesale changes before things are given a chance to work themselves out. I will refer to your last paragraph and my response. Give things some time.

I suppose that one needs to put themselves into the mind of a lurker. What would a lurker think reading the last few threads about the people on this board? Can we use some adjectives?


Lurkers are fine but the real participants are the participants. Lurkers are lurkers and they may or may not become participants. Are we to be governed by only what lurkers are going to think of us? This is a dysfunctional family, a normal family of extreme measure but still a family of sorts. It's part of life, life is tough, so is argument, and agreement and everything that goes with it. Many will participate at different levels, others lurk and say nothing and everything again everything will balance or change, self regulate. Someone gets out of hand and someone will try to bring it back to a balance.

In regards to DCP, some terrible things have been said about him on this board and on RFM. If he would take out a lawsuit on every poster who said a vile thing about him and won, he would be a rich man. He retracted his statement in the next post. That should have sufficed.


I really am sorry that terrible things have been said about anyone if they are not true. I don't believe in suing for every little thing that happens in life either. I also don't care atbout past practices in this instance, I care about this instance, this situation. Dr. Dan was not totally innocent in this instance. Nor was he totally the blame either. He plays games, tests, poems, humor, parody, etc. like everyone else and he goes overboard too. Just like most everyone else has at times. Dan pretty much gets what he gives, just like all the rest of us.

To whom much is given, much is expected. Sorry, but more is expected by Dan than Eric. Why? Because more has been given to him. He is portrayed that way by most posters on this board (both sides), and he portrays himself that way, and his church and calling portray him that way. Dan is used to too much protection from being at MAD and runs from the heat that he participates in here and creates here. He says things here I don't think he would at MAD even with the protection.

Dan and other TBMs took after Eric in the same manner as the other side took after Josh Skains a while back. It went back and forth same as this situation. Anyone remember what was said about all that on both sides? And guess what, all that got self-regulated, too and it too came to an end.

If the moderation was on the ball, his statement would have been deleted pronto. Instead it was allowed to sit there on the thread. It should have least have been red lettered. It all just got out of hand...but I do believe that it is all winding down now. Maybe, things will get back to normal.


Don't blame moderation on all this, if you want moderation and censorship go back to MAD and stay there. And now after all your hot air about moderation you state "it is all winding down now", isn't that a process of self regulation in action? Maybe giving things a little time before everyone jumps through their o-rings is a prudent thing to do.

What the hell is "normal"?
I think it would be morally right to lie about your religion to edit the article favorably.
bcspace
_truth dancer
_Emeritus
Posts: 4792
Joined: Tue Oct 24, 2006 12:40 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _truth dancer »

I'm not a fan of law suits, not a fan of sharing personal information on the board, not a fan of messing with the relationships of board participants, not a fan of taunting and cruelty, not a fan of getting URL information and using it to "tease" board members, not a fan of the "test", mean spirited provocation, potty humor, crass and tawdry jokes, violence, deception and lies, mocking those with disabilities, or just plain nastiness. All of which I've seen on this board.

I don't like any of it and feel it is immature, tasteless, and unhealthy (at best).

Having said this I don't like banning, and think it should only happen under extraordinary circumstances.

Just to keep things in perspective, GoodK is not the first person to threaten a law suit, I can think of two others. He is not the first person to get involved with the personal life of a board member, in fact an in real life relationship of his has been hurt perhaps dramatically by a board member interfering. GoodK's recent behavior (as much as I do not like it) is nowhere near the level of cruelty and nastiness of some others. The point being I do not see anything new or unusual in this recent spat.

We have seen all sorts of inappropriate and rude behavior on this board, so the question is where do we draw the line?

I don't have the answer but if GoodK gets banned certainly many others should be banned as well.

Having said all this, I do think if someone has broken the rules, is warned by mods, and continues to break the rules a "cooling down" period of a day or so may be a good idea, basically to cut down on the work of mods, and to allow for emotions to get back under control. I also think if the rule breaking continues there comes a time when the only thing left is to ban but again this is a last resort.

Still, I think we as board members, for the most part can self moderate.

Maybe these types of situations can help us rethink our personal posting styles, or remind us that we are dealing with real people with real families and real lives? Or maybe we will be reminded to just post with a little more respect and civility?

I hold the idea that as we work through the challenges we progress...

Time to move on!

~td~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
_solomarineris
_Emeritus
Posts: 1207
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:51 am

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _solomarineris »

bcspace wrote:
Let him post. Let him sue.


Do any of you have any business sense? Do you guys really buy this?
Any idiot on this board, who decides to sue someone (who is the real idiot) needs to feed a lawyer $400-$450 an hour & pay good sum up front. Even his/her family & friends, will not touch the case with a ten foot pole to a case as flimsy as this one.
Being stupid does not qualify GoodK to sue DCP (hypotetically speaking).
Main element is, he has to have deep pockets.
_Some Schmo
_Emeritus
Posts: 15602
Joined: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:59 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _Some Schmo »

Calculus Crusader wrote:
Some Schmo wrote:
But DCP is like herpes. He'll be back.


That is a comment I would associate with a mind of your caliber.

Thanks. I liked it too.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
_Rollo Tomasi
_Emeritus
Posts: 4085
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:27 pm

Re: Petition to Ban GoodK If He Doesn't Cut This s***.

Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

Pokatator wrote:It was and has been "bad form" on both sides. But I can't believe how so many here think that DCP was so innocent in all this.

I agree 100%.

He knew what he was doing when he chose Eric for his test. He knew what issues to bring up because his has inside information obtained from Eric's father and family members. His actions were calculated and deliberate. GoodK's actions were emotional and reactionary not calculated and deliberate. DCP knew the predictable actions of Goodk and was cruel and hurtful enough to go for it. He got the show he wanted.

So very true. DCP brought this on himself, starting with his snitching on GoodK to his father and then continuing to drop 'hints' about GoodK's life and actions. DCP has no one to blame but himself for this mess (and any lawsuit that may come his way).

I too like the old board where we self regulated, just like what has been happening here all day. I am not for banning except in the most egregious cases and I don't feel this has gone to that level yet. I also fail to see how this is going to destroy the board.

Agreed. Free speech is the hallmark of this bb (unlike MAD, et al.).
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Post Reply