West Ridge Academy Missionaries Tutor With Love

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truth dancer wrote:
why me wrote:Their homepage seems okay. The site also has tesitmonials from some boys and families.


Of course it does. Do you think they are going to go into detail regarding their treatment of the children housed there?


That's right. Buy into the story. Distrust any authority. Accept the word of a 24-year-old kid with no education and unwilling to answer crucial questions about his claims.
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truth dancer wrote:
why me wrote:Their homepage seems okay. The site also has tesitmonials from some boys and families.


Of course it does. Do you think they are going to go into detail regarding their treatment of the children housed there?

Do you think any parent would send their child if they knew what went on there? (Actually, yes there are parents who would do such a thing but not decent, loving parents).

Read a little more and you will see some serious red flags!


If there is abuse at the boys ranch it will come out. But at this moment I don't see any investigation into the matter. And I see no guilty verdict as of yet. So far I do see speculation and accusations. But nothing to convict the ranch. Why is that? Now of course I could be missing something somewhere about this ranch.
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rcrocket wrote:Let's say 15-year-old Mormon Billie is pending trial for rape of a 14 year old. He smokes weed every day. He doesn't come home. He has just been arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He doesn't attend school.

Let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Johnny, meth-fueled, comes home one evening and assaults his Mom with a knife? This culminates months of trying to get Johnny to go to school, much less Church, and to stop his drug habit. Smoking dope on the front stoop is an everyday occurrence.

Or, let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Suzie is self-destructive. She cuts herself. She takes meth. She doesn't attend school. She performs sex on any boy who will ask her. Her body is filling with tattoos.



All they need is more Family Home Evening and the "little factories" talk.
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rcrocket wrote:Why won't he tell us what formal complaints he has made to Utah state authorities? (I don't consider unresponded emails and left phone messages much of an attempt. Was there a letter? Did he ever connect with a live being? Did the CPS ever talk to him? Did he ever talk to the cops?)


You make charges against a Mormon-run group in Utah, you bet the cops will talk to you.
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moksha wrote:
rcrocket wrote:Why won't he tell us what formal complaints he has made to Utah state authorities? (I don't consider unresponded emails and left phone messages much of an attempt. Was there a letter? Did he ever connect with a live being? Did the CPS ever talk to him? Did he ever talk to the cops?)


You make charges against a Mormon-run group in Utah, you bet the cops will talk to you.


So, you really think there is a massive conspiracy to protect this erstwhile Buttars organization from investigation? Amazing. There are so many people in Utah who hate the Mormons and are willing to throw them up on the cross; the Salt Lake Tribune and Peggy Fletcher Stack included.
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rcrocket wrote:
marg wrote:You appear to be the dishonest individual in this case. If you really had something to back up your accusation that Eric is lying or you think he is, you'd say what it is.


Oh well, if dishonesty is a label just because you don't agree with my answer, there isn't much to do about it.


It's not a matter of disagreeing with me. In fact I asked you a question April 13, there was nothing to disagree with me about. You didn't answer my question with specific examples of what you thought Eric had lied about instead you admitted to knowing nothing about Westridge but then for the rest of your entire post you wrote personal attacks against Eric.

But I must wonder why there have been no reports of investigation as a result of GoodK's complaints?


Specifically what complaint do you think should have been investigated? Eric's accusation of their behavior modification techniques is in line with many other similar schools. While some school in the past have been forced to shut down, more open up. Something does need to be done.

Why won't he tell us what formal complaints he has made to Utah state authorities? (I don't consider unresponded emails and left phone messages much of an attempt.


It's the whole program that's wrong. Not one particular thing. It's how they treat individuals. You've got to understand what behavior modification is about, and how it is accomplished. And people who have been through these programmes are not emotionally strong individuals, prepared to fight for their rights. They don't even appreciate fully their rights were violated. Many probably after being broken down emotionally, feel they deserve that treatment.

Was there a letter? Did he ever connect with a live being? Did the CPS ever talk to him? Did he ever talk to the cops?)


As if complaining when one finally gets out of such an institution about the humiliation and abuse such as priviledges of even talking being taken away is going to be listened to by any cop?

He also says he has "lawyers" agaggle ready to pounce. It isn't a secret when one has a lawyer. The lawyer would take my call. I'd be interested in making that call. Why aren't we favored with a lawyer.


You've demonstrated on this board that you aren't an individual wanting to help, you demonstrated over and over again your main interest is to taunt Eric. He shouldn't trust you.

So, I'm not ready to accept at face value this big whopper, or the little whopper about some bishop who committed adultery and should be defamed. I not only not accept the story at face value, I doubt its truthfulness.


Well I didn't accept it at face value either. So I did research. I came across for example an individual who'd been there, who wrote a blog. He mentioned going to that place as an incidental. In particular he mentioned a story of a therapist there who told his parents to make sure he puts "icy hot" on his penis. I have posted on this board previously about this and gave the link. Don't have the time atm to look for that. I also looked into what is involved with behavior modification, looked into the history of schools/teen programs which have used it, and I'm confident given the descriptions from ERic and others that this school uses the sort of behavior modification techniques which are meant to break down a person's will so that they will be compliant to whatever is intended. In breaking down these kids wills, humilation and punishments are frequently used.
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rcrocket wrote:
marg wrote:There is no excuse to send a kid away from their support group of friends and family for 2 years at the whim of a parent/step parent, with no professional assessment to verify it's warranted.


Every boot camp I've ever seen has professionals on staff; these things cost $30K a year for the parents.

"Whim" is assuming a lot.


Probably in most cases parents aren't aware of what goes on. A common strategy is to inform parents to not listen to complaints of their kids and if kids do complain to parents and it's found out they are punished.

So, I guess I am reading your post to say that the dozens to hundreds of private boot camps in the United States have no place in dealing with children and should be shut down. (I wonder why and how they get their licenses from the state to operate as such -- a mystery. I guess your internet scholarship should answer that somehow.)


Why don't you do a bit of research. Look into the history of behavior modification program for teens which have existed I believe since the 70's. Look into it a little bit, don't trust me, but make an effort to inform yourself.
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Re: Icy Hot

Bob, here's the link of a post I wrote in Nov. It gives the link to the blog of a fellow who had been at the ranch and the story regarding "icy hot"
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marg wrote:Why don't you do a bit of research. Look into the history of behavior modification program for teens which have existed I believe since the 70's. Look into it a little bit, don't trust me, but make an effort to inform yourself.


I have. I've been consulted on the issue by distraught parents. I represent private schools.

Maybe you can answer my question. Do you think that state licensing agencies are wrong to license these facilities, and mental health licensed care givers are wrong to put their licenses at risk in these places? What special qualifications or information do you have which exceeds the professional wisdom of the states of Arizona and California where these things abound?
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marg wrote:Re: Icy Hot

Bob, here's the link of a post I wrote in Nov. It gives the link to the blog of a fellow who had been at the ranch and the story regarding "icy hot"


I hope that when you read this and believe it, you made a report yourself. Did you? Why not?

[Really, what value is this thing?]
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