Scratch's Sudden Departure

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Re: Scratch's Sudden Departure

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Just as a note from a lurker:

When I read Goodk's thread and DCP's response it didn't take me more than 1 second to understand the point of DCP's post. Without doing an in depth analysis of the wording in Goodk's OP my casual read of the entire thread (before it became an analyzed topic of discussion) did give me enough understanding to realize DCP's post was in great deal a parody of Goodk's original post. DCP did exaggerate but I did catch the smug jabs at DCP's from Goodk in the OP.

Not that my opinion matters. But if you do a consensus of whether people realized the motive behind DCP's post, then I did. I don't think either of two are justified in their treatment of one another. But you're turning a blind eye to Goodk's provocation in the OP if you try to pin it all on DCP (unless I have no reading comprehension).
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harmony wrote:Once more, just for kicks and giggles: there is NO expectation of privacy on the internet. Not for Daniel, not for GoodK, not for Scratch... heck, not even for me. I can be tracked down (and I have been) and so can anyone else, no matter how deeply one thinks one is buried in anonymity, if someone with the proper authority has reason to want to harm you.

There is no expectation that one's personal information is kept secret when one registers on a website. Scratch knew s/he could be tracked when s/he registered on the MAD board. Why would s/he assume that information would be kept private, knowing how they are there? Why does anyone think I never post there, have never registered there again, even though I have a new server? Because they could track me via my IP! They have no honor, no integrity, when it comes to tracking down those they despise... and I am certainly one of the despised. So is Scratch.

When a bb (such as FAIR/MAD) allows anonymous posters, it is reasonable to expect that the mods of that bb will not give out one's in real life information to another poster. We all know anyone can be tracked down, but a bb's mods giving out a poster's in real life information seems way over the line to me. In hindsight, it's not surprising that the mods at FAIR/MAD would do such a thing, but that doesn't make it any less despicable.
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beastie wrote:I would say it's quite reasonable to suggest that a FAIR mod provided the information to DCP. I'm sure their intentions were good, trying to help DCP in some way, but it doesn't seem quite ethical.

I don't see how the FAIR mods' "intentions were good." I think it was done with the intent to harm Scratch. There simply is no other reason for a bb mod to give one poster's in real life information to another poster, in my opinion.

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
beastie wrote:I would say it's quite reasonable to suggest that a FAIR mod provided the information to DCP. I'm sure their intentions were good, trying to help DCP in some way, but it doesn't seem quite ethical.

I don't see how the FAIR mods' "intentions were good." I think it was done with the intent to harm Scratch. There simply is no other reason for a bb mod to give one poster's in real life information to another poster, in my opinion.


I personally have zero faith in the good intentions of the MAD mods.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:My simple point was this: Those who accuse me of causing a rupture between GoodK and his stepfather over something with which I have no legitimate concern and of which I have no knowledge whatsoever should understand, before they leap to condemn me, that GoodK's stepfather and I have known each other for more than two decades and that the troubled relationship between GoodK and his stepdad had been a topic of conversation between us at several points over that period.

Disagree with my providing the link as much as you wish, but it's simply false to claim that I destroyed a relationship of which I knew nothing. I knew about it, and I didn't destroy it.


Dr. Dan I think you are more confused than I am.

You state "I have no knowledge whatsoever" and "a relationship of which I knew nothing" so you know nothing about a relationship or rupture, yet, you state, "GoodK's stepfather and I have known each other for more than two decades and that the troubled relationship between GoodK and his stepdad had been a topic of conversation between us at several points over that period".

Talk about doublespeak, all in two short paragraphs.

Just curious, is the older Norwood part of your skinny-l, where you only talk about hiking around Portland for 20 years?
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Pokatator wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:My simple point was this: Those who accuse me of causing a rupture between GoodK and his stepfather over something with which I have no legitimate concern and of which I have no knowledge whatsoever should understand, before they leap to condemn me, that GoodK's stepfather and I have known each other for more than two decades and that the troubled relationship between GoodK and his stepdad had been a topic of conversation between us at several points over that period.

Disagree with my providing the link as much as you wish, but it's simply false to claim that I destroyed a relationship of which I knew nothing. I knew about it, and I didn't destroy it.


Dr. Dan I think you are more confused than I am.

You state "I have no knowledge whatsoever" and "a relationship of which I knew nothing" so you know nothing about a relationship or rupture, yet, you state, "GoodK's stepfather and I have known each other for more than two decades and that the troubled relationship between GoodK and his stepdad had been a topic of conversation between us at several points over that period".

Talk about doublespeak, all in two short paragraphs.

LOL. Talk about poor reading skills!

Pokatator wrote:Just curious, is the older Norwood part of your skinny-l, where you only talk about hiking around Portland for 20 years?

No.
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Was Scratch's blog deleted, or is it just private?
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Disagree with my providing the link as much as you wish, but it's simply false to claim that I destroyed a relationship of which I knew nothing. I knew about it, and I didn't destroy it.


Lets talk about your poor writing skills and let's just deal with the last two sentences of your post so you can get it.
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I don't see how the FAIR mods' "intentions were good." I think it was done with the intent to harm Scratch. There simply is no other reason for a bb mod to give one poster's in real life information to another poster, in my opinion.


I do agree that the information was likely provided with the intent to intimidate Scratch. By "good intentions" I mean that the mods probably perceive scratch as a malevolent stalker, the way DCP does, and were trying to provide ammunition to him to get the stalker to leave him alone. I don't think they would just provide a critic's real life information just to be mean to the critic, In other words - they likely had what they saw as a higher purpose.
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dblagent007 wrote:Why would Scratch suddenly leave the board? Well, we know that Scratch once used an IP address linked to the USC school of law. We also know that a certain poster has been in need of legal assistance lately to pursue Scratch's favorite target - Daniel C. Peterson.

How does this all add up to Scratch's departure? If Scratch is an attorney helping GoodK pursue DCP for libel, then Scratch is effectively acting as legal counsel to GoodK - the plaintiff. Scratch could get into hot water with the state bar if he continued to converse with DCP, without DCP's counsel being present. This would especially be a problem if DCP did not know that Scratch was secretly functioning as legal counsel to GoodK. Hence, Scratch leaves the board.

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I think it is all coming together.

I once ate a hotdog at the same time that an airplane flew over my head. It causes me to suspect that the consumption of hotdogs makes airplanes appear.

Why would an airplane suddenly appear? We know that airplanes are long cylindrical objects... just like hotdogs. We also know that food is often served on an airplane, the baggage handling guys are little wieners, and a lot of stewardesses have great buns. And what's more, they used to serve hotdogs at the theater that I saw the movie "Airplane." Whoa...

I think there are way too many fishy things going on here for this to all be a coincidence.
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