Response To Criticism and the Road Ahead

[_rcrocket]

As I have plainly stated this week, I will be departing this board. The consequences of participation (a complaint to the state bar by one of you about my debate practices) makes it too costly to be here.

[_marg]

So I took a quick look at your link Bob

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/197018.pdf

and it starts out with

Can a program designed to
improve an inmate’s attitudes
and behaviors reduce the
likelihood that he or she will
commit another crime after
release from prison? Could
such a program reduce prison
populations and costs?
This Research for Practice
reports on 10 years of data
analyzing the success or
failure of correctional boot
camps to meet these goals.

This is a situation in which a juvenile has been found guilty of a crime after investigation. This is an entirely different situation to boot camps/behavior mod programs in which no assessment need be done, parents simply sent their kids.

[_marg]

In addition Bob it is not talking about private programs such as Westridge..it is talking about state run alternatives to jails for people convicted of crime.

Why boot camps?
As the name implies, correctional boot camps are
in-prison programs that resemble military basic training.

They emphasize vigorous physical activity, drill and ceremony, manual labor, and other activities that ensure that participants have little, if any, free time. Strict rules govern all aspects of conduct
and appearance. Correctional officers act as drill instructors, initially using intense verbal tactics designed to break down inmates’ resistance
and lead to constructive changes.

Three generations of camps. Boot camps proliferated
in the late 1980s and early 1990s. By 1995, State
correctional agencies operated 75 boot camps for adults, State and local agencies operated 30 juvenile boot camps, and larger counties operated 18 boot camps in local jails.

[_karl61]

it's actually real simple: instead of sending him to bootcamp buy and old truckfor the adult and a new dirt bike for the kid with leathers, boots and the whole thing and EVERY weekend take him out to the desert to ride his bike. Give him an option for a movie instead or just a nice weekend rest. But that means you have to invest time and make (as Stephen Covey says) deposits in the emotional bank account.

[_marg]

Since essentially Bob and harmony you've been skeptical that there is anything wrong with the program at Westridge and I get the impression you both have done little if any reading on behavioral modification treatment programs and what they involve. In quite a few posts I have linked to Maia Szalavitz's article The Trouble with Troubled Teen Programs

If you don't think Westridge uses techniques common in the sorts of programs Maia is discussing then give your reasons.

[_Calculus Crusader]

writing slamming books about Islam

I think I'm trapped in a carnival fun house.

Which of the fourteen volumes I've published thus far in my Middle Eastern Texts Initiative series (by al-Ghazali, Ibn Rushd, Ibn Sina, Suhraward, Mulla Sadra, and the like) "slams" Islam? Or is it my LDS-oriented book on the Middle East, Abraham Divided? Or is it my biography entitled Muhammad: Prophet of God? (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 2007)?

It's something of a novelty for me to be accused of "writing slamming books about Islam."

Maybe he meant slammin' as in awesome or tight.

[_Pokatator]

When GoodK posted the copy of the email about the priesthood and his sister, he did so anonymously. Following that, crocket stated that he forwarded or was planning to forward a copy of the post to GoodK's family. In response to that, GoodK stated that he would post crocket's personal contact information on the board and let the board have fun with it. (These aren't direct quotes)

I did not forward the post to his family. Many other people apparently did.

OK, so you didn't forward it (untrue, you pushed the send button) and you threatened to is the point. You made the first threat. Who are these "other" people who did?

Even so, I don't see anything wrong with it. His stepdad sent out an anguished email asking for spiritual support to his family and friends. I am one of those friends. I counseled his dad on a couple of matters pertaining to the problem, so I wasn't all that distant from the problem.

Of course you don't see anything wrong with it, you're a god in embryo. So you admit to not being distant from the problem and even counseled on the porblem, are you going to claim ignorance "I knew nothing" like your buddy Dr. Dan. The truth is you have inside information too and you're not afraid to use it to suit your agenda and you don't care squat about GoodK.

When the post crossed the transom, I thought it would have been bad form not to send the dad a link to his family's public humiliation, since I knew that many people would instantly recognize the post.

I think that your actions and attitudes and also Dr. Dan's show that you have a warped view of "good and bad form". I actually doubt that GoodK will be able to prove damages and thus kills his case. But what has been proved is that you and Dan are meddlers, gossips, narcissistic tattlers, neither of you live up to your callings as a bishop (shepherd) or elder. You two are play ground bullies. You rule in "bad form". What you and Dan have done in all your dealings with GoodK is bad form.

It is like GoodK wanted this to happen.

So now you can read GoodK's thoughts? Your powers of discernment are legendary...in your own mind.

But, my post went to a bad email and then I decided against pursuing it further and didn't.

More excuses. You pushed the "send" button, you are not innocent. You still made a threat that a lot posters think should be a bannable offense if GoodK does it but it's OK for you or Dr. Dan. Go figure.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

That is an unfair thing to say about me. My "abuse" has basically been to question the thoroughness of his claims, and wonder why some things don't add up Yes, I like to needle GoodK, but no more than I have needled you, Harmony or my buds Scratch and Rollo.

There's one huge difference. Unlike with us, you went out of your way to contact GoodK's step-dad about his posting here. As I recall, you were unsuccessful, but did tip off DCP, who in turn did reach GoodK's step-dad. And the rest, they say, is history ....

[_Jason Bourne]

It's really been inexcusable the way Dan and Bob have gone after you. Good for you for sticking up for yourself.

marg's cheering of Goodk's misguided plans is rather odd. I always thought marg prided herself in critical thinking. Perhaps she has an abundance of such thought. But this post smacks of no common sense.

[_marg]

It's really been inexcusable the way Dan and Bob have gone after you. Good for you for sticking up for yourself.

marg's cheering of Goodk's misguided plans is rather odd. I always thought marg prided herself in critical thinking. Perhaps she has an abundance of such thought. But this post smacks of no common sense.

I didn't cheer him for his plans, I cheered him for sticking up for himself, for letting them know he doesn't appreciate their character assault insinuations. I trust Eric to have the intelligence to understand what I was saying. If I was talking to you I guess I'd have to be more careful.

Keep in mind he was put into an institution which used humiliation and cruel treatment to manipulate and control. His step dad is in my opinion an obviously very controlling individual couple that with religious fanaticism(I'm going by his note on this board) and then those 2 goons DCP and Bob, continuued harassing with insinuations of inside knowledge to discredit him. Fortunately the step dad, let it slip that Eric is actually a good individual, that he'd welcome him with open arms if he embraced Mormonism.

As far as the legal issue, I have an opinion, which I haven't voiced and I won't.