Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

[_Jersey Girl]

I feel compelled to say once again, what I think of this one isolated incident. How many threads have been devoted to this? Too many.

Points as follows:

1. When GoodK posted the copy of the email, he did so anonymously.

2. The email itself was NOT a personal email for family members only. Please look at the greeting of the email. This was sent to a broad collection of persons.

3. Whether or not crock and/or Daniel have/had background information on the family is irrelevant.

4. No one on this board, with the possible exception of crock and Dan, knew the identity of either GoodK or the family in question. Again, this wasn't a private emailing. It had a broad distribution.

5. If either crock or Dan wished to notify the family of this posted email during a difficult time when a beloved family member was stricken with serious illness, they WERE SO OFF BASE THEY WEREN'T EVEN ON THE PLAYING FIELD of good common sense.

6. Should GoodK have posted it? Who cares?

7. Do we know that GoodK wanted to "humiliate" his family by posting it? How the hell COULD we know that?

Move on and away from this, people. It does no good to or for anyone to continue to resurrect this issue. No apologies will be forthcoming and why? Because the two guys believe that what they did was justifiable and to issue an apology would be an admission of guilt.

Get over it. Put a period and be done.

[_marg]

What I find more interesting is that it seems that Bob Crockett has once again bailed with his tail between his legs because this is an argument he can't win. It's a pity, realiy.

I don't know whether he bailed but my experience is you can't get anywhere with him in discussion. He evades and ignores constantly, such as at least twice I asked what specifically Eric lied about with regards to the school and he responded but didn't answer the question. I linked to an article on the issue of these behavior modification schools and he didn't address it but came back with another web site put out by the government which did a study on state run boot camps for essentially convicted criminals and wanted me to address that which I did, but I doubt he'll address that link. It truly goes nowhere trying to talk with him.

With regards to the opening post and that letter I don't have much to say.

[_Kishkumen]

Don't send your kid to UT!

Wise words, indeed.

To have a difference in opinion with the patriarch, or anyone else with 'authority' is to deliberately offend them. The worst sin a child can commit is 'wilful disobediance'. So to turn things around, if a patriarch cannot produce perfectly compliant children, is his priesthood weakened? In his eyes, or the eyes of the rest of the priesthood?

Yes, and this was precisely my point. It was perhaps the Mopologist(s) who revealed GoodK's email who sought to humiliate his stepfather by drawing attention to the fact that he had raised a child who lacked faith in God or Mormonism, and by letting him know that the other Mopologists were aware of this. It's just a theory, but given the light recently cast on this issue, I can't help but find in somewhat plausible.

[_Kishkumen]

I don't know whether he bailed but my experience is you can't get anywhere with him in discussion. He evades and ignores constantly....It truly goes nowhere trying to talk with him.

The truth tastes good, and I am feasting on this post. Robert excels at wasting everyone's good time. The best one can do with him is ignore everything he posts. I know I would if it weren't so much fun to annoy him.

[_Yong Xi]

Were no one contacted in real life, no humiliation would've been at all possible.

Are you saying that it was in fact the Mopologists who humiliated GoodK's stepfather? Yes. I can see it so clearly now. It was perhaps a way of saying "I guess we see who can't keep control over his own kids." How characteristically Mormon, when you get down to it.

This is my view as well. Had DCP respected GOODK's stepfather, he would have said nothing, gone home and offered up a prayer in behalf of the stepfather (I have no idea what the prayer would have been about. GOODK merely flipped his father off. Big deal.)

It's a form of righteous priesthood holder weenie wagging.

[_Some Schmo]

It was perhaps a way of saying "I guess we see who can't keep control over his own kids." How characteristically Mormon, when you get down to it.

This is my view as well. Had DCP respected GOODK's stepfather, he would have said nothing, gone home and offered up a prayer in behalf of the stepfather (I have no idea what the prayer would have been about. GOODK merely flipped his father off. Big deal.)

It's a form of righteous priesthood holder weenie wagging.

This is exactly what my take on danny boy's actions have been from the start (along with revenge at GoodK for pointing our flawed Mormon beliefs). If you believe what he says, he was emailing the link "out of concern for GoodK's father" but what in that email was there for the father to be concerned about? That his stepson was pissed at him? Well no s***! DCP has told us this repetitively.

Is DCP really this stupid? (Maybe, but...)

This was totally about towing the Mormon line. That post was all about how silly the church's beliefs are, and that was all it took to piss off little danny. I guess he really does have a history of malicious gossip for the lard, doesn't he?

[_why me]

I still don't believe that it is correct to post an email on a message board without the writer of the email's consent. I have seen this done on many occasions on antimormon boards. I disgruntled Mormon posts an email from the TBM friend on the antimormon board and the orginal emailer is abused and kicked.

One never knows how the audience will respond when an email is posted on a message board. However, in this case, the step dad was announced as a Farm's cronie and a Mormon blowhard. It may not be difficult to begin to pick up on who that farm's cronie may be.

But then again there is nothing illegal posting someone's email or is it? Can personal emails be posted on public boards with name's and addresses withheld?

[_Dr. Shades]

I still don't believe that it is correct to post an email on a message board without the writer of the email's consent. I have seen this done on many occasions on antimormon boards. I disgruntled Mormon posts an email from the TBM friend on the antimormon board and the orginal emailer is abused and kicked.

In that case, you'd better not visit a certain webpage hosted by SHIELDS.

[_why me]

I still don't believe that it is correct to post an email on a message board without the writer of the email's consent. I have seen this done on many occasions on antimormon boards. I disgruntled Mormon posts an email from the TBM friend on the antimormon board and the orginal emailer is abused and kicked.

In that case, you'd better not visit a certain webpage hosted by SHIELDS.

The link that you gave seems more like an intellectual exchange of ideas--give or take a couple of issues.

I think that it is somewhat different from a personal email made public on a message board. Now the email that goodk posted on this board was sent out to many people as I recollect. It would have been spotted if any of those people were posting on this board.

[_why me]

I would not post an email from someone on a message board unless I had the writer of the email's permission. In this case, it was perhaps not given by the stepdad. Also, it would be interesting to see what type of discussion came from this post by Eric. Perhaps it was not the most flattering to the step-father but I don't know since I have not seen the thread.

Calling a step father a cronie or a blowhard is not the most flattering and it may show some hostility between the two.

Here is a link to the actual thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5434&p=133161&hilit=+sister#p133161

The thread is 10 pages long, so I didn't read through it all. I think you'll find a mix of opinions, but most posters were very supportive of Eric, and hoped that his sister recovered soon.

Having read through the thread I see a problem. The thread should have died when goodk forgave Bob. But it seems that there may have been some flamethrowers on that thread that wished to fan the fire somemore. The moderators should have calmed down the situation with warnings.

My first reading of the threads gives me the impression that rcrocket was attacked for what he did by some posters even after goodk forgave him which continued to fan the flames.