Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

[_why me]

Yes, the one or two FARMSies who come here would recognize it. And your point is?

You can figure it out. Also, it does seem that goodk and rcrocket know eachother off the boards since goodk called rcrocket basically a good guy. This could have been settled by them alone without any peanut gallery chirping in.

I suppose the point is: try not to post publically a problem with someone when all can perhaps be solved in private. And I do mean privately without concern as to whether private correspondence will be made public because there is mutual respect for eachother's humanity.

I think that it is that simple.

[_Kishkumen]

You can figure it out.

Yes, you believe that apologists are generally blameless, even when they behave like butt-wipes, but you want to hold everyone who is critical of Mormonism responsible for each and every peccadillo. I think we have gathered that much.

I suppose the point is: try not to post publically a problem with someone when all can perhaps be solved in private. And I do mean privately without concern as to whether private correspondence will be made public because there is mutual respect for eachother's humanity.

I think that it is that simple.

What is simple is the mentality that approaches every single thing in a tit-for-tat, who is blameless and who is in the wrong, approach to life. And Mormonism excels in inculcating just such a mentality. I would not have done what GoodK did. I probably would not have responded in the way Mr. Peterson did.

[_harmony]

Hey, whyme, I have one comment for you.

Get off our moderators asses, be this brave over at MAD the mods suck over there.

The moderators at Mad would have nailed that thread in the butt before it escalated into what it had become. Once goodk forgave rcrocket, it should have ended. But....It was allowed to continue.

The mods here do not have the same mandate as the mods at MAD. We are not here to contain, direct, impede, or channel any discussion. There is no way that thread would have been closed. Of course it was allowed to continue. Why would it not? We are not MAD, we don't want to be MAD, we make no excuses for who we are, and we sure as hell are not ashamed of being mods. Y'all know who the MDB mods are.




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[_Pokatator]

The moderators at Mad would have nailed that thread in the butt before it escalated into what it had become. Once goodk forgave rcrocket, it should have ended. But....It was allowed to continue.

This is a free speech zone, MAD is the Mormon spin starts here zone and protect the mopologist zone.

If you like it there, go there and stay there. Don't try to change this system to that one. You're welcome here in my book but quit trying take away our freedom.

Once goodk forgave rcrocket, it should have ended.

And if Lawyer Bob had one iota of the character of GoodK had at that point he would have apologized. Apologize is one thing you won't see the likes of these FARMS contributing mopologists doing. You don't think that this argument had a big chance of ending if the two gossips, meddlers and tattle tails had simply apologized?

whyme, you are such a Mormon PolyAnna you're over here trying to protect Dr. Dan and Lawyer Bob just like the MAD moderators do. Wake up and ask these two characters why they can't answer a couple of Truth Dancer's questions. They are simple questions, questions even you and they can understand.

Get your Catholic head out of your Mormon dark place and look around for a change.

[_Kishkumen]

We are not MAD, we don't want to be MAD, we make no excuses for who we are...

Thank you for that. MAD is a silly place.

[_Kishkumen]

Apologize is one thing you won't see the likes of these FARMS contributing mopologists doing.

So true. So very true.

[_why me]

This is a free speech zone, MAD is the Mormon spin starts here zone and protect the mopologist zone.

The threat of a lawsuit put an end to a free speech zone. There can be no free speech when lawsuits can be threatened and acted upon. In the future, the moderators need to show a more hands on approach to what is being said on this board. It is unfortunate but much has now changed because of the recent past.

[_harmony]

This is a free speech zone, MAD is the Mormon spin starts here zone and protect the mopologist zone.

The threat of a lawsuit put an end to a free speech zone. There can be no free speech when lawsuits can be threatened and acted upon. In the future, the moderators need to show a more hands on approach to what is being said on this board. It is unfortunate but much has now changed because of the recent past.

I'm not sure you understand the judicial system in the USA, why me. We can sue anyone over anything; all we have to do is find a lawyer willing to take our money, which isn't all that hard. Yet we continue to be known as the world's free speech zone. We as participants on the internet shoulder that risk here as well as anywhere in the real world. We know that crap happens, even in the real world. Just because it happens doesn't mean we stop being who we are, saying what we feel is appropriate, and being part of this online community.

If you thought the present situation was handled improperly by the admin and mods on this board, you are entitled to your opinion and you are free to express your opinion, your solution, and your comments here. We are free to take your comments into account and deal with them as we see fit. We may agree; we may not. In either case, you can deal with it in whatever manner you deem necessary, and so can we.

Thank you for your input. Don't put your funeral clothes on yet; this board is far from dead.

[_Jersey Girl]

This is a free speech zone, MAD is the Mormon spin starts here zone and protect the mopologist zone.

The threat of a lawsuit put an end to a free speech zone. There can be no free speech when lawsuits can be threatened and acted upon. In the future, the moderators need to show a more hands on approach to what is being said on this board. It is unfortunate but much has now changed because of the recent past.

why me,

I'm just thinking about what you've written above. We do have updated rules that state:

Do not make mention of anything that allegedly transpired or is transpiring via the chat room or via private message that the source him- or herself has not overtly made public. People who communicate behind-the-scenes obviously intend their communications to remain behind-the-scenes. Any post on the board itself making reference to such things will be deleted.

That doesn't apply to emails and I don't see how it has any bearing on this situation.

I'm trying to think about what might have prevented the current situation and I honestly, cannot think of anything more than personal responsibility taking. In this case, responsibility taking on the part of GoodK (who posted the email that wasn't a private "family only" email and then, in turn, DCP and crock who made attempts to notify the family of the post in question)

I'm also trying to think of how a moderator could have stepped in. Having reviewed the original thread, I think a mod could have stepped in and issued some sort of warning to crock who mentioned that he had taken the in real life email publicly posted BACK into in real life. But the thing is, we had no board rules that would have backed that action. Perhaps stepping in and saying "this situation appears to be getting out of control" and then what? Threat of suspension to all parties? That might not have been a bad idea, but where does one draw the line?

At this point I think both sides should just back off and regroup.

I personally, would have no problem with admin or moderators functioning outside of the board rules in special situations. Based on when I was a moderator, I know good and well that the mod team does their level best to be fair to all parties, discusses "sticky" situations and tries to sort things out/think things through before making a move.

How would you have handled it were you a moderator, why me? What would you have stated?

[_why me]

I'm not sure you understand the judicial system in the USA, why me. We can sue anyone over anything; all we have to do is find a lawyer willing to take our money, which isn't all that hard. Yet we continue to be known as the world's free speech zone. We as participants on the internet shoulder that risk here as well as anywhere in the real world. We know that s*** happens, even in the real world. Just because it happens doesn't mean we stop being who we are, saying what we feel is appropriate, and being part of this online community.

If you thought the present situation was handled improperly by the admin and mods on this board, you are entitled to your opinion and you are free to express your opinion, your solution, and your comments here. We are free to take your comments into account and deal with them as we see fit. We may agree; we may not. In either case, you can deal with it in whatever manner you deem necessary, and so can we.

Thank you for your input. Don't put your funeral clothes on yet; this board is far from dead.

I would like the board to succeed and this why I am making my comments. Posters should not be saying that this is a free speech zone anymore. Rather, all should be told that language and tone need to be guarded. In other words, it is important to disagree civilly with eachother. This would not be a bad thing and it will attract more Mormon posters. Lets just say that the lawsuit threat was a wake up call that something needs to change. Another lawsuit threat coming from this board would send this board down the toilet. I think that the moderators and shades need to call a meeting and discuss a new policy of interaction on the board. Name calling and personal insinuations against a poster should get deleted and the poster should get a warning or a suspension.

The lawsuit threat did not come from a mopologist.