Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

[_cinepro]

There is another factor that should be addressed in this situation.

The nature of the "anonymized" post means that it only has specific meaning for those few people who know both "GoodK" (via his participation on this message board), and know GoodK's step-dad in real life.

In which case, the email offers no new information. I would presume that anyone who knows GoodK's step-dad in real life knows he is an apologist, and a man of faith. I'm sure anyone who knew anything about the situation with the sister in Utah would know of the important role the family's faith played in getting through a very trying time.

From GoodK's point of view (an admittedly faith-less one), the email does raise interesting issues of the role of "faith" in the healing process, and the mindset of believers in stressful situations involving scientific medicine. It would probably have been possible to raise those issue with a brief, discreet summary of the situation (without posting the actual email).

But GoodK's family was obviously comfortable with the importance of faith in their lives, and they were comfortable sharing it with people in an email. Ultimately, GoodK's comments tell us more about him than they do about his family.

[_Yoda]

I would like to ask Bob, (if he has the guts to answer.....He seems to have disappeared since I kicked his ass yet again on the thread Inc started about DCP and bishops), and anyone else who cares to respond.....What is "humiliating" to Eric's family about this post?

I knew it would only be a matter of time before you made the full transition from larval anti-Mormon to fully adult dung beetle.

All one has to do around here is just call them as one sees them, and things will follow their natural course from that point forward.

Droopy, you are the consumate example of an ass with a thesaurus.

So much for both if us passing insults the other one's way.

Since it seems Bob has left the board, I'll pose my question to you.

What, specifically in Eric's original post, is an example of humiliation to his family?

Humiliation is a strong term. Look it up.

Honestly, I think that Bob was grandstanding in his analysis. I wanted to see if I was alone in my assessment.

Let me also address Alter Idem's concerns here.

I understand that Eric's post was not "hunky dory". Would it be disappointing for a family member to read? Sure. Irritating? Yes.

But humiliating?

I honestly don't see how.

That's what I'm questioning here.

[Guest]

Droopy, you are the consumate example of an ass with a thesaurus.

The pack mentality of this place astounds. The thesaurus is primarily in my head (and, for that matter, what's wrong with using a thesaurus?)

The intellectual penis envy that defines a substantial portion of this board's atmosphere is telling.

Since it seems Bob has left the board, I'll pose my question to you.

What, specifically in Eric's original post, is an example of humiliation to his family?

Stop the head gaming. You're insulting my intelligence by even asking this question (and following the other anti drones who are following the chemical trail to the question's fundamental form).

Humiliation is a strong term. Look it up.

And perfectly adequate to describe what GoodK was attempting to do, beyond propping up his own bad conscience.

Honestly, I think that Bob was grandstanding in his analysis. I wanted to see if I was alone in my assessment.

You're not alone, only just as ethically vacuous as the others who have come to GoodK's defense.

I understand that Eric's post was not "hunky dory". Would it be disappointing for a family member to read? Sure. Irritating? Yes.

But humiliating?

Does the moral Kool-aid taste good Liz?

[_Droopy]

Because disrespect is intended to pull people back into line. Using the patriarchal angle is a powerful tool in Mormon culture. GoodK would be upset because he still knows that the stepfather might be hurt as he is operating on in that patriarchal mindset, even though GoodK has abandoned it.

Oh please...

Don't let your subscription to Ms. run out Scratch, or whoever you are.

[_Droopy]

There is another factor that should be addressed in this situation.

The nature of the "anonymized" post means that it only has specific meaning for those few people who know both "GoodK" (via his participation on this message board), and know GoodK's step-dad in real life.

In which case, the email offers no new information. I would presume that anyone who knows GoodK's step-dad in real life knows he is an apologist, and a man of faith. I'm sure anyone who knew anything about the situation with the sister in Utah would know of the important role the family's faith played in getting through a very trying time.

From GoodK's point of view (an admittedly faith-less one), the email does raise interesting issues of the role of "faith" in the healing process, and the mindset of believers in stressful situations involving scientific medicine. It would probably have been possible to raise those issue with a brief, discreet summary of the situation (without posting the actual email).

But GoodK's family was obviously comfortable with the importance of faith in their lives, and they were comfortable sharing it with people in an email. Ultimately, GoodK's comments tell us more about him than they do about his family.

This is precisely to the point, and I don't think its been said better up to this point in this sorry debate.

The manner in which GoodK has carried this on and on and on and on, to the point of a lawsuit against DCP is also pretty fair indication the the entire thing was a provocation (as his immediate threats to Bob Crockett clearly indicate).

[_Some Schmo]

liz... you should know better.

Asking Droopy for intellectual honesty is like asking a homeless person for a million dollars. He can't give what he doesn't have.

One thing he said I do believe, however: "The thesaurus is primarily in my head." Having a large, heavy book physically wedged deep in his cranium would certainly explain the brain damage.

[_Kishkumen]

Oh please...

Don't let your subscription to Ms. run out Scratch, or whoever you are.

Can't find your thesaurus, Drippy?

[_Kishkumen]

But GoodK's family was obviously comfortable with the importance of faith in their lives, and they were comfortable sharing it with people in an email. Ultimately, GoodK's comments tell us more about him than they do about his family.

As is always the case, when a Mopologist is interpreting anything that could be construed as critical of the LDS Church or its members. It's always about the critic, never about the God's Perfect Corporation.

[_Yoda]

Stop the head gaming. You're insulting my intelligence by even asking this question (and following the other anti drones who are following the chemical trail to the question's fundamental form).

I realize that it's much easier for you to simply lump me in with the radical Church critics on the board than to answer my question. That's a pity, really. I have come to your defense when folks have made pot shots to you regarding your past drinking problem because I felt, and still feel, it was hitting below the belt. I have also mentioned, on several occasions, that I think that you are a good person, and recognize that you are a good husband who has taken painstakingly good care of his ill wife. We have had our differences, and, yes, I fully admit that there are doctrinal points that I have problems with.....But I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, just like you are, Loran. Dr. Peterson has no problem recognizing this. I'm not sure what your problem is.

As an active LDS parent of a teen-ager, and a young college student, I honestly don't understand how Eric's post caused his family humiliation. First of all, no one here, other than DCP and Bob, knew who GoodK was. Most of us thought he was a female poster, based on his avatar, at the time.

Was it a particularly nice post? No....it was a vent. But he was also asking some earnest questions that he wanted to discuss. He was asking for opinions on why his sister had to go through such an illness to begin with. Frankly, I would say that is a fairly normal reaction for anyone to have.

Even those of us who are steadfast to the faith are human, and ask "Why me?" at times.

Does the moral Kool-aid taste good Liz?

Tastes just fine, Loran. How does the condescending Kool-aid taste? From your posts here, I would say you can't seem to get enough!

[_Droopy]

Was it a particularly nice post? No....it was a vent. But he was also asking some earnest questions that he wanted to discuss.

B freakin' S. It was a mean spirited, snarky, below the belt swipe at the Church and his stepfather (who he apparantly feels represents it, and is hence an equally juicy target) when they were vulnerable.

Spare me the pain.