Courtney Simpson: Mormon Porn Star.

[_Jason Bourne]

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Like I said it would depend on the local church. I think Ray you would have some understanding by taking into account the influences that have caused the young woman to enter such a business. Now there can be disfollowshipment or probation. But excommunication would be the last resort.[/quote]

The Church does seem less likely to excommunicate as compared to 15-20 years ago. But it still does and I would be very surprised if a girl who was active who went off to be a porn star would not be ex'd. On the other hand one of the paradox's of church discipline is that when you are active and do something bad you are more likely to get discipline as compared to someone who is not active. In actives do all sorts of things that are never known about. And even if a bishop knows that in inactive person is say living with someone outside of marriage he may not bother with church discipline because what is giving the boot going to do to someone who does not seem to care much anyways. Also his time is limited so why spend it on a crusade to purge those out who don't even come?

So maybe a LDS woman who is not active could fly beneath the radar with porn star status.

[_The Dude]

I think it all depends on the Bishop and SP and Courtney has just been lucky for the last few years, getting leaders who either don't know about her porn (or are embarrassed to admit it ), or else she is getting leaders with attitudes like William Schryver and Bill Marriott who essentially have no problem with this line of work.

[_Some Schmo]

You didn't look hard enough.

Back in 1997, A missionary serving in the Los Angeles, California mission was recruited into the porn business and made a few films.

An independent documentary was made about the case; you can view the trailer here.

No I can't, it said it's not available to be viewed in my country. I trust you that there are Mormon male porno stars.

I think to qualify to be a Mormon male porn star, you have to consider the male's endowment.

[_TAK]

I think it all depends on the Bishop and SP and Courtney has just been lucky for the last few years, getting leaders who either don't know about her porn (or are embarrassed to admit it ), or else she is getting leaders with attitudes like William Schryver and Bill Marriott who essentially have no problem with this line of work.

She did over 250 movies so there should be little doubt her flicks were shown in Marriott hotel rooms ..

A nice example of Mo’s helping Mo’s in the business world..

[_TAK]

Jason Bourne

The Church does seem less likely to excommunicate as compared to 15-20 years ago. But it still does and I would be very surprised if a girl who was active who went off to be a porn star would not be ex'd. On the other hand one of the paradox's of church discipline is that when you are active and do something bad you are more likely to get discipline as compared to someone who is not active. In actives do all sorts of things that are never known about. And even if a bishop knows that in inactive person is say living with someone outside of marriage he may not bother with church discipline because what is giving the boot going to do to someone who does not seem to care much anyways. Also his time is limited so why spend it on a crusade to purge those out who don't even come?

So maybe a LDS woman who is not active could fly beneath the radar with porn star status.

And yet they go after a guy who sells beefcake calendars ... If she embarrassed the Church they would hunt her down.

[_Ray A]

On the other hand one of the paradox's of church discipline is that when you are active and do something bad you are more likely to get discipline as compared to someone who is not active. In actives do all sorts of things that are never known about. And even if a bishop knows that in inactive person is say living with someone outside of marriage he may not bother with church discipline because what is giving the boot going to do to someone who does not seem to care much anyways. Also his time is limited so why spend it on a crusade to purge those out who don't even come?

Very true, Jason. However, I cite the case of Simon Southerton, who wrote Losing Lost Tribe, and was inactive for some six years when the Church suddenly decided he deserved excommunication for "having an inappropriate relationship with a woman". That should make my point even more obvious. Only the most naïve would think he was exed for "conduct unbecoming".

[_why me]

And yet they go after a guy who sells beefcake calendars ... If she embarrassed the Church they would hunt her down.

I think that I have already stated on this thread that the beefcake calender was done by a RM who decided to use his former status as a missionary for lewd purposes. Plus, we have no idea what he said about the LDS church and calender. But yes, he put the priesthood of god into mock mode with that calender. Thus, bye bye!!

[_why me]

Very true, Jason. However, I cite the case of Simon Southerton, who wrote Losing Lost Tribe, and was inactive for some six years when the Church suddenly decided he deserved excommunication for "having an inappropriate relationship with a woman". That should make my point even more obvious. Only the most naïve would think he was exed for "conduct unbecoming".

Wasn't simon a bishop at one time? Wasn't he a high priest? And did he not have sex with a woman? If so, its bye bye!!

[_why me]

I think it all depends on the Bishop and SP and Courtney has just been lucky for the last few years, getting leaders who either don't know about her porn (or are embarrassed to admit it ), or else she is getting leaders with attitudes like William Schryver and Bill Marriott who essentially have no problem with this line of work.

Our pornstar friend was not broadcasting her Mormon background to sell more movies. She was probably not active when making those movies. And she is a woman. The church is easier on women because they don't have the priesthood. I will also bet a penny that she has not been to the temple.

[_Ray A]

Wasn't simon a bishop at one time? Wasn't he a high priest? And did he not have sex with a woman? If so, its bye bye!!

I just rechecked, and he was inactive for seven years. Now I know you're not very familiar with these processes, particularly since I understand you're not active, or may not have been active for a long time, and may not have been a bishop.

Bishops do not go out "hunting" for inactive members who may be breaking the Church's standards, unless it comes to their attention that they're bringing the Church into public disrepute, writing against the Church, etc. Southerton was excommunicated for adultery, not apostasy.

Here is part of his interview with David Rutledge:

Simon Southerton: Well that’s what I’m quite confused about. Having been a bishop, it’s very, very, unusual for the church to pursue somebody who hasn’t been to church for seven years. If I did that as a bishop, I would spend all of my time holding Disciplinary Councils and disciplining people who aren’t attending, and 60% of the church aren’t attending. And so that’s why it leads me to suspect that they’re doing this for other reasons. There are other motives behind this, and clearly the obvious one would be apostasy. And on the charge of apostasy, I’m afraid I’d have to say I’m quite guilty. But I guess I’m being a bit of a thorn in the side to them at the moment. I don’t have any gripes with the local ears in Canberra, they’re wonderful people. It’s just unfortunate when they get caught up in the wheels of the church that it becomes a little bit more impersonal and my gripe is not with them, it’s principally with the church and the beliefs that I believe need to be changed.

David Rutledge: But why do you think the church wouldn’t be moving on the grounds of apostasy, given that they’d obviously be upset about what you’ve written, both in your book and the postings you’ve made on websites.

Simon Southerton: Certainly they’re very concerned about the sorts of things that I’m writing, but there seems to be a trend occurring, starting up in the last few years, that people who do write books and subsequently invited to Disciplinary Councils, quite often the Council is either called off, or there’s really a non-result. And perhaps the church is now trying to avoid holding Councils on the charge of apostasy, because some of the information that is now available, they would probably prefer those 16 men who sit on the council, they probably prefer them not to hear it because it is so challenging to their faith.

So it wasn't "bye, bye" because of the adultery charge, it was "bye, bye" because you're publicly criticising and questioning Mormon doctrine.