Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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marg wrote:All of this is good information and maybe Eric can get this on his site and maybe the word will get out to those still in what is and what is not acceptable. But it seems to me what's missing in this is there is no regulation which requires that student are informed or have access to an independent body where they can voice their complaints. If parents are informed to not listen to the youth, I think the school would likely make it difficult for youth to complain to a gov't body...but I'm sure few would even know how to do it, or that they could do it.

Quite frankly I don't trust the school to be honest in how it runs its program.


marg,

Eric can put those up on his website or a link to them, however, notice that the second set of rules/regs where I extracted the bit about behavior management and reporting is listed as revised as of 1 Mar 09. That is to say, they cover only such instances that occured AFTER 1 Mar of this year. Revisions could amount to nothing more than a few section changes, so the wording could have been present in the previous rules/regs.

What he needs to know is the statute of limitations in Utah for child abuse reporting, prepare documentation, and THEN, he needs to match up the allegations to the rule/regs that were applicable during that time period. The attorney will do that for him.

Another thing, the attorney isn't going to compose the documentation. Any statements would need to come directly from victims. That's why Eric needs to become familiar with the rules/regs in general, determine if what he or others experienced was valid abuse and THEN, he needs to document it as I suggested. The attorney will no doubt summarize the allegations however, the victim statements have to come from the victims. I think the attorney will offer guidance or review the statement for thoroughness, however, Eric needs to be working on this himself in advance.

Eric has a mountain to climb. Just preparing his own documentation will be time consuming.

And he needs to take the "smart ass" out of his documentation. Not saying that students/residents were walked around on leashes. If he himself was forced to wear a blanket and was tethered by a rope, he needs to be specific about the situation and if he wants to say "it made me feel like a dog on a leash", that would be totally appropriate.

If he (or another person) was forced to carry and move rocks around for four hours, he (they) need to be specific. How big were the rocks? Approximate weight? The duration of the activity (4 hours). Weather conditions. What distance were they forced to carry the rocks?

Sample: I was instructed that I would carry rocks from the corner to the curb. The rocks, weighing approximately 10 pounds each, were in a pile. I was instructed to carry the rocks an approximate distance of 1/4 mile. I was made to do this repetitively with no breaks, in weather conditions with temperatures of 98 degrees for four hours without drinking fluids made available to me. I was told that if I failed to follow instructions, that I would be confined to an isolation area in building #123. At one point, after about 2 hours, I became dizzy and sick to my stomach. When I reported this to the staff member in charge, I was told to keep working or face isolation. After another 20 minutes, I fell to the ground and vomited. The staff member offered no assistance. The staff member instructed me to get up and continue moving the rocks.

Like that. He needs to pack his statement full of detail. Date, time, location, etc.

The attorney will plug in the applicable and dated rules/regs that prohibited the activity. Perhaps the victim statement will be given in the form of a documented interview? That would relieve much of the burden from Eric and others.

We'll have to wait to hear how that goes. But in the mean time, he can help himself to prepare to give a statement if he hasn't already given one. He can practice "viewing" the activity as if he were a bystander. What does he see himself doing? What is being said? How does he feel?

If I'm not mistaken, Eric has skills as a screen writer. Do you see how that can help him with his statement? He can write what he can see and hear, and include how it made him feel. A little preparation work and recalling of vivid detail on his part, will smooth the way.

If he's worked with an attorney for quite some time, he may have already gone through this process. If so, maybe the above will help someone else in some way.

Okay, I'm totally zoned out now. If none of the above makes sense, I largely blame you, marg.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Thanks for taking the time to look up all of this information, Jersey Girl!

I hope this will help Eric in his cause.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Well I phoned the licensing dept and left a message with Bonnie Styver so I'll see what feedback I get from her.

Questions I want to ask besides what value it would be for Eric to report his experiences from 9 years ago are

- what sort of independent assessment is required to determine if in fact treatment is needed

- how often is it inspected and are there random communications made with a number of the youth to get feedback from them on treatment & experiences

- are youth informed of what to do, who to contact if they have complaints

- is it appropriate to force particular scriptures, force confessions, force religious indoctrination on youth

- what sort of program does the school currently have...if beh. mod what does that entail

- have regulations changed much in the last 9 years

- what sort of program was offered 9 years ago

If anyone has suggestions of other questions to ask let me know.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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marg,

All your questions are good. Does any licensing dept have relevancy in this case?

With the discussions here, could it be the case that any Mormon group of the kind under consideration here have essentially been exempt from any kind of “licensing dept”?

It has not appeared that the things to which Eric was subjected were critically reviewed by any independent legal authority. Did the legal authorities simply look away? Was there aggressive scrutiny of what took place? If there was, what report was made public?

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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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marg,

If you haven't done so already, make a list of your questions. When you get DHS on the phone, refer to this license#:

License Number: 14991

Ask them if there are any reported violations/complaints against the program. Don't let them go without asking that question and ask them if the violations/complaints were resolved and HOW. Ask which violations/complaints are still pending. See if they can email you a report or send you a link to the violations and West Ridge responses to those.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Hi JAK,

JAK wrote:
With the discussions here, could it be the case that any Mormon group of the kind under consideration here have essentially been exempt from any kind of “licensing dept”?


Well they are licensed as a residential treatment facility and I think they are required to be licensed as well.

http://www.hslic.utah.gov/

http://www.hslic.utah.gov/db_results2.asp?Program_Code=PYP&offset=-1


It has not appeared that the things to which Eric was subjected were critically reviewed by any independent legal authority. Did the legal authorities simply look away? Was there aggressive scrutiny of what took place? If there was, what report was made public?


I don't believe at the time..he's now 24 I believe but was 15 turning 16 when he was abducted and brought there...that he had access to make any complaint, knew he could make a complaint, knew if he could who to complain to. The school on its current website informs parents that kids will likely complaint about the program and promise all sorts of things if the parents will take them out and they say that kids typically manipulate and lie and shouldn't be listened to. Apparantly I believe I read that Eric said that if the school found out they had complained they would be subjected to punishments (withholding of privileges). I'm still uncertain about things, such as whether Eric ever went home during the period he attended and whether he talked with his parents about the place. And if so their reaction. I also don't know whether only a select few were treated inhumanely because they wouldn't comply or whether most were treated inhumanely and most ended up complying instead of giving a hard time.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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I'm going to "sort" your list of issues by what I think DHS is in a position to answer and what questions would need to be made to West Ridge. I'll be back in a few to do that.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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J.G. I've added your questions to the list.

I'll give a few days for her to call, if she doesn't then I'll email her for a good time for me to call, if no response I'll email the questions to her.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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marg wrote:J.G. I've added your questions to the list.

I'll give a few days for her to call, if she doesn't then I'll email her for a good time for me to call, if no response I'll email the questions to her.


You might have to be the persistent "squeaky wheel that gets the grease". Based on my interactions with you online, you're more than equipped to do that.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Jersey Girl wrote:
You might have to be the persistent "squeaky wheel that gets the grease". Based on my interactions with you online, you're more than equipped to do that.
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When I'm on a mission yes. I'm not fully involved or commited to this though. At this point, it just information gathering.
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