Master of your Domain

[_bcspace]

So which is the wife of his youth in the photo AND

Lorenzo Snow wanted the youthful wife not the wife of his youth and the courts told him no way Jose.

Sounds like you are only taking into account the first reference.

[_karl61]

2 Samuel 12:7-12 (New International Version)

7 Then Nathan said to David, "You are the man! This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul. 8 I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 9 Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. 10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.'

11 "This is what the LORD says: 'Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. 12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.' "

which part of the second reference do you think would apply?

[_moksha]

That's not a good question at all because LDS doctrine teaches self mastery as part of salvation. Therefore, it's going to be taught. Can you give better advice?

Self-mastery advice, eh? Choose the Right hand!

[_Yoda]

BC, do you have any comments on my insights from the other page? Just curious.

[_Doctor Scratch]

The better question is why one should stop when all of the BS reasons are shown for what they are.

That's not a good question at all because LDS doctrine teaches self mastery as part of salvation. Therefore, it's going to be taught.

Why should it be, though? Simply as one example among many? Or, is there something specific about masturbation that Heavenly Father finds offensive or objectionable? If "self mastery" is really the fundamental issue, then why aren't there more talks about exercising regularly? Or not overeating? Or not engaging in skinny-l gang warfare? It seems to me that if the Brethren truly cared about this so-called "self mastery," then they would be applying the term in a much more holistic way. I mean, think about it: the apologists routinely speak of how they are "addicted" to reading anti-Mormon literature, and to committing all kinds of atrocities on the messageboards. And these are high-ranking people! If these high-profile apologists are flagrantly getting away with this stuff, then I think it's safe to say that Heavenly Father doesn't really care about wanking. If "self mastery" were truly a doctrinal concern within the upper echelons of the Church, then I think we could comfortably expect the apologists to be crapping themselves in deep, existential fear of damnation on account of their "addictions."

[_karl61]

"Or not engaging in skinny-l gang warfare?"

WAY TOO FUNNY!

[_bcspace]

If "self mastery" is really the fundamental issue, then why aren't there more talks about exercising regularly? Or not overeating? Or not engaging in skinny-l gang warfare?

The principle is given. Now go and govern yourselves (D&C 58:26). Why is sexual sin emphasized? Do you see these other things in the ten commandments as you do adultery? Like not committing adultery is a good thing, and so are these others, why should every good thing be listed exhaustively?

I mean, think about it: the apologists routinely speak of how they are "addicted" to reading anti-Mormon literature, and to committing all kinds of atrocities on the messageboards. And these are high-ranking people! If these high-profile apologists are flagrantly getting away with this stuff, then I think it's safe to say that Heavenly Father doesn't really care about wanking. If "self mastery" were truly a doctrinal concern within the upper echelons of the Church, then I think we could comfortably expect the apologists to be crapping themselves in deep, existential fear of damnation on account of their "addictions."

The better question is why one should stop when all of the BS reasons are shown for what they are.

That's not a good question at all because LDS doctrine teaches self mastery as part of salvation. Therefore, it's going to be taught.

I mean, think about it: the apologists routinely speak of how they are "addicted" to reading anti-Mormon literature, and to committing all kinds of atrocities on the messageboards. And these are high-ranking people! If these high-profile apologists are flagrantly getting away with this stuff, then I think it's safe to say that Heavenly Father doesn't really care about wanking. If "self mastery" were truly a doctrinal concern within the upper echelons of the Church, then I think we could comfortably expect the apologists to be crapping themselves in deep, existential fear of damnation on account of their "addictions."

You're straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel, motes and beams, etc. The underlying doctrine is there, what is your better advice?

[_Doctor Scratch]

You're straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel, motes and beams, etc. The underlying doctrine is there, what is your better advice?

I daresay the "doctrine" is non-existent if the Brethren and other priesthood leaders don't enforce it in legitimate, logical ways.

[_CaliforniaKid]

It's just a non-issue.

Get a grip.

KA

But do you have any helpful suggestions on how not to get a grip?

BWAhahahahahahaaaaa!!

[_Jason Bourne]

The policy is essentially a don't ask don't tell type of thing. So if one asks, given LDS doctrine on mastery of self, an answer must be given.

HUH? There is not a don't ask don't tell policy about masturbation in the LDS Church. Bishops and SPs are left on their own to decide. Some may do a don't ask don't tell but I bet most don't. In fact in my experience most do ask. I know what I did and what I counseled when someone brought it up to me when I was a bishop. I know what my SP said we should and should not discuss. And it was not don't ask don't tell. And one bishop I knew said "When I interview a young man I no longer ask whether they masturbate or not. I ask when was the last time they did it." In other words they all did it. But there is no don't ask don't tell policy at all. What planet do you live on anyway?