Mormonism's Greatest Downfall.

[_William Schryver]

I wouldn't have a problem with it if I went into a situation like that.

Would you willingly choose that type of situation, though? And, can you honestly say that it would not, at least be, emotionally difficult?

Think honestly and really put yourself in that position before answering. Don't BS your way through it.

Think about the connection you have with your wife, and the intimacy you share....I'm not just talking about sex, here.

I do agree entirely that no plural marriage could be said to "work" unless all of the needs of each wife were met to her personal satisfaction. And I'm not talking about sex, either.

Tell you the truth, I don't think plural marriage could work at all in a world like the one we currently live in. I can see why it was discontinued when it was.

[_karl61]

plural marriage would not work in western civivlization.

[_Yoda]

I do agree entirely that no plural marriage could be said to "work" unless all of the needs of each wife were met to her personal satisfaction. And I'm not talking about sex, either.

Tell you the truth, I don't think plural marriage could work at all in a world like the one we currently live in. I can see why it was discontinued when it was.

THANK YOU, Will!!!!!

That is the MOST honest answer I have heard come from ANY TBM I have discussed this with.

I'm going to bed now, but I have some more questions for you later.

[_Ray A]

More hyperbole, Ray?

It just spews out of you sometimes.

Or are you intentionally perpetuating caricatures because it suits your new-found calling as "Anti-Mormon Activist"?

Remember the curse, Ray. Remember the curse. You don't want to push things too far ...

I remember it, Will, and I genuinely fear it will come back on you.

Romans 12:

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. 10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. 15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. 16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. 17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. 18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. 19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. 20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. 21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

As I have always said, Will Schryver is not my judge. Leave judgement with God.

I wish no evil upon you, but I fear that your cursings may turn to your own misfortune.

Moroni 7:

18 And now, my brethren, seeing that ye know the light by which ye may judge, which light is the light of Christ, see that ye do not judge wrongfully; for with that same judgment which ye judge ye shall also be judged.

[_why me]

So, Will, is it safe to say that you have no problem with the concept of plural marriage?

You mentioned the future. Do you see the church re-establishing plural marriage?

If I go back a few years, plural marriage was not a problem at all. It was taught in American history classes. I remember as a high school student reading about the Mormons under BY heading westward and then reading about the practive of polygamy. It meant nothing to me and certainly did not give me any negative impression of Mormonism.

What is happening today is the constant repetition of the sexual. Critics chirp on it over and over again and they do it in such a way as to make people feel outraged. Suddenly, we place a 21st century lust effect on polygamy because we live in such a sexualized society.

But really in the past it meant nothing for most people. All converts heard of polyamy in Utah and most heard about Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages. No problem at all.

And so what has happened is the critic technique of putting lust behind polygamy. And as the golden rule states: if you repeat a lie as truth over and over again, suddenly it becomes the truth.

[_why me]

It was the way Smith went about it that makes it stink so badly. He lied about it, he kept it secret, it was originally for only a select group, he was clearly a horn-dog who wanted to take the hottest girls for himself, etc. It even caused the apostasy of Oliver Cowdery because he was in love with someone that Smith took for a plural wife.

It makes no sense to say God wanted it restored and then allowed it to be taken away shortly afterward.

If I were Joseph Smith I would have done the same thing. Yes, I would have lied about it and kept it secret. My human weakness of fear of death would have prevented me from disclosing it. And my fear that such an omission would have caused the death of many more church members by mobs would have given me a good reason to keep my secret.

Don't give Joseph Smith a 21st century interpretation of Joseph Smith's actions. He as not a horndog but just a guy who was found in a strange situation and he coped with it as best as he could.

[_Ray A]

If I go back a few years, plural marriage was not a problem at all. It was taught in American history classes. I remember as a high school student reading about the Mormons under BY heading westward and then reading about the practive of polygamy. It meant nothing to me and certainly did not give me any negative impression of Mormonism.

What is happening today is the constant repetition of the sexual. Critics chirp on it over and over again and they do it in such a way as to make people feel outraged. Suddenly, we place a 21st century lust effect on polygamy because we live in such a sexualized society.

But really in the past it meant nothing for most people. All converts heard of polyamy in Utah and most heard about Joseph Smith's polygamous marriages. No problem at all.

Sure. Ever heard the saying "the twin relics of barbarism"? (slavery and polygamy.) American society never frowned on polygamy?

What are you smoking?

[_why me]

Polygamy was the worst mistake Joseph Smith ever made. A good bit of it came out of his raging libido, and it is to be regretted. Having said that, I must admit that I wouldn't be here without it. Now apologists have a reason to regret it too.

Good try. However we overlook the stories of these women who married Joseph Smith and why they became a plural wife of Joseph Smith. Many experienced a witness of the truth that plural marriage was from God. And to my knowledge none or most did not have any regrets.

Don't confuse your libido with that of Joseph Smith.

[_Ray A]

Don't give Joseph Smith a 21st century interpretation of Joseph Smith's actions. He as not a horndog but just a guy who was found in a strange situation and he coped with it as best as he could.

Strange alright. God says, "Hey jo, see them yonder wives, go get 'em and seal 'em up to yerself. They'll be yours in eternity."

Im glad Sidney exercised some control when Jo made a pass at Nancy. I fear I may have clobbered the SOB and cut off his filthy dick.

[_why me]

The one and only time God sent an angel with a drawn sword to threaten Joseph's life just so happens to be the one situation wherein Joseph stood to gain sexual access to lots and lots of different women.

Convenient, no?

Bull Dinkie! Joseph Smith was no supporter of polygamy and in fact, it caused him some doubts. He did not go into it with tongue out slurping saliva or anthing else a tongue may slurp. The sword was drawn as a threat...obey the lord your god or else.