Mormonism's Greatest Downfall.

[_why me]

You didn't ask her did you.

wimp.

Am not.

In fact, I just really did ask her. She says, "I am not very enthusiastic about the prospects of plural marriage, but if it came to that, I'm sure your love for me wouldn't be diminished by your need to love and provide for someone else."

She goes on: "The thing these people seem to forget is that plural marriage isn't just about having different women in different bedrooms. It's also about all the mundane and taxing details of having multiple families, and the responsibility that would come with that."

Your wife deserves a bouguet of flowers for her response or at least a box of good chocolates.

[_why me]

Would you willingly choose that type of situation, though? And, can you honestly say that it would not, at least be, emotionally difficult?

Think honestly and really put yourself in that position before answering. Don't BS your way through it.

Think about the connection you have with your wife, and the intimacy you share....I'm not just talking about sex, here.

Was it emotionally difficult for Joseph Smith? Yes. Did he willingly choose that type of situation? It seems not.

I think that Joseph Smith thought deeply about what transpired and had geniune fear in regards to Emma's reaction. And we have his solution to that problem. Not easy to be in his shoes.

[_Ray A]

Your wife deserves a bouguet [sic] of flowers for her response or at least a box of good chocolates.

And maybe a friendly warning: "I'll see you on Thursdays, CK time, and don't ask where I am on the other days, dear. It's none of your business. Honour the priesthood."

[_why me]

I do agree entirely that no plural marriage could be said to "work" unless all of the needs of each wife were met to her personal satisfaction. And I'm not talking about sex, either.

Tell you the truth, I don't think plural marriage could work at all in a world like the one we currently live in. I can see why it was discontinued when it was.

THANK YOU, Will!!!!!

That is the MOST honest answer I have heard come from ANY TBM I have discussed this with.

I'm going to bed now, but I have some more questions for you later.

It does not seem that the plural wives of Joseph Smith were unduly harmed by their experience. When Joseph Smith died all went there own way not exactly sharing their experience but with no regrets either. I think that that says much about plural marriage during Joseph Smith's time.

And Will is right about the state of today's world. It could not work at this moment. Too much porn and sex addiction.

[_why me]

Your wife deserves a bouguet [sic] of flowers for her response or at least a box of good chocolates.

And maybe a friendly warning: "I'll see you on Thursdays, CK time, and don't ask where I am on the other days, dear. It's none of your business. Honour the priesthood."

That would certainly be a 21st century interpretation.

[_Ray A]

Was it emotionally difficult for Joseph Smith? Yes. Did he willingly choose that type of situation? It seems not.

I think that Joseph Smith thought deeply about what transpired and had geniune fear in regards to Emma's reaction. And we have his solution to that problem. Not easy to be in his shoes.

Oh dear, my fellow Saints, this breaks my heart, and it will be a sore trial to you, but God has told me that I must copulate with your wives for eternity to produce "eternal offspring" "worthy of him". Now go find your own "kind", and leave me to produce "godly offspring" through your wives' wombs.

"It's not easy to be in my shoes, but someone has to do it."

[_why me]

He was all about kinship in the after life.

No sex, of course. Just "kinship".

It does seem that kinship ruled the day. I think that Joseph Smith was a very fertile guy. Strange that no women had any children by him. Now I know that there have been rumors...but so far none existed or have been found out. Now that is strange. No birth control at that time except by the natural method.

[_Ray A]

It does seem that kinship ruled the day. I think that Joseph Smith was a very fertile guy. Strange that no women had any children by him. Now I know that there have been rumors...but so far none existed or have been found out. Now that is strange. No birth control at that time except by the natural method.

Because they were all aborted. JC Bennett style.

[_why me]

However, if Rigdon wrote the Book of Mormon, he would have let the cat out of the bag when his daughter Nancy was asked to be a plural wife by Joseph Smith. But Rigdon did not let the cat out of the bag because there was no cat in the bag. And Rigdon did not leave the church because of it. Now isn't that strange?

That was a prime cause of his apostasy.

He came back. And his temporary apostacy did not make him spill the beans that he wrote the Book of Mormon, if he wrote the Book of Mormon.

From the mormonwiki:

Rigdon was accused of associating with people who wanted to displace Joseph Smith, though he denied these charges. Rigdon did not agree with the new doctrine of plural marriage, but never opposed it. In early 1844, Rigdon went to Pittsburgh against the Lord's command. In an earlier revelation, The Lord chastened Sidney, saying:

I, the Lord, am not pleased with my servant Sidney Rigdon; he exalted himself in his heart, and received not counsel, but grieved the Spirit (Doctrine and Covenants 63:55).

[_Ray A]

He came back. And his temporary apostacy did not make him spill the beans that he wrote the Book of Mormon, if he wrote the Book of Mormon.

From the mormonwiki:

Rigdon was accused of associating with people who wanted to displace Joseph Smith, though he denied these charges. Rigdon did not agree with the new doctrine of plural marriage, but never opposed it. In early 1844, Rigdon went to Pittsburgh against the Lord's command. In an earlier revelation, The Lord chastened Sidney, saying:

I, the Lord, am not pleased with my servant Sidney Rigdon; he exalted himself in his heart, and received not counsel, but grieved the Spirit (Doctrine and Covenants 63:55).

I don't trust anything post-Book of Mormon.

23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.
34 And now behold, my brethren, ye know that these commandments were given to our father, Lehi; wherefore, ye have known them before; and ye have come unto great condemnation; for ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done.
35 Behold, ye have done greater iniquities than the Lamanites, our brethren. Ye have broken the hearts of your tender wives, and lost the confidence of your children, because of your bad examples before them; and the sobbings of their hearts ascend up to God against you. And because of the strictness of the word of God, which cometh down against you, many hearts died, pierced with deep wounds.

Keep defending this perfidy to your heart's content, but you will never convince me of it. The above verses are so clear that even an imbecile can understand them.