Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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Re: Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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Hi BC,

So do I. But you conveniently forget Jacob 2:30 that God authorized plural marriage is not abominable at all.


Going with your interpretation (which may not be accurate as The Brackite points out)..

God clearly states in the Book of Mormon that polygamy breaks the hearts of his daughters... if God commands polygamy he is basically commanding the hearts of his daughters get broken by men. So be it.

If as God states, polygamy breaks the hearts of his daughters, and if polygamy is an eternal practice, then those women involved in polygamy will be heart broken for eternity.

Yeah, nice plan the LDS God came up with. :evil:

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Re: Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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truth dancer wrote:Yeah, nice plan the LDS God came up with. :evil:

~td~


It would be more accurate to say: "nice plan the LDS prophet said the LDS God came up with."

Let us never forget who is really doing the talking here. There is no other way to explain Fanny, an affair 3 years prior to the restoration of the so-called sealing power.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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Bump.
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Re: Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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Depends on what scriptures you believe in. Obviously, I believe in D&C 132, but I also believe in 2 Samuel 12:7-11. It is impossible to truthfully claim to be a Bible believing Christian and not accept God-authorized plural marriage.

I, on the other hand, believe in God, not prophets (ancient or modern).


Then you don't really believe in God at all.

Here is how Jacob Chapter Two, Verse 30 is Correctly interpreted and read:

[30] For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people [To Marry Monogamously]; otherwise they shall [will] hearken unto these things [The Sins of Polygamy].


Yet you have failed to remove the "otherwise", which destroys your logic. They will marry monogamously otherwise what?

Going with your interpretation (which may not be accurate as The Brackite points out)..


Brackite has invented another language.

if God commands polygamy he is basically commanding the hearts of his daughters get broken by men. So be it.


I do not agree that when one understands plural marriage is authorized by God, one's heart must break.

If as God states, polygamy breaks the hearts of his daughters, and if polygamy is an eternal practice, then those women involved in polygamy will be heart broken for eternity.


Where does it say that?
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bcspace wrote:Brackite has invented another language.

if God commands polygamy he is basically commanding the hearts of his daughters get broken by men. So be it.


I do not agree that when one understands plural marriage is authorized by God, one's heart must break.

If as God states, polygamy breaks the hearts of his daughters, and if polygamy is an eternal practice, then those women involved in polygamy will be heart broken for eternity.


Where does it say that?



Here is (again) Jacob Chapter Two, Verses 31 through 33:

Jacob: 2:31-33:

[31] For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.

[32] And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

[33] For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save I shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.



( Bold Emphasis Mine. )
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In Conclusion:


From "Bishop" Bob:


rcrocket wrote:
Plural marriage is an eternal principle. It is founded on the notion that there will be far fewer men who will accept the atoning sacrifice than women. It has to do, somehow, with the struggle in the Garden of Eden, the choice Eve made, and the promise that she would be saved in childbearing. I don't get it all, but the fact that women are more spiritual and willing to accept the spirit is a fact.





Versus:


From The Book of Mormon:

2 Nephi 26:33:

[33] For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.



Jacob 2:24:

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.





And:


From about.com:

How many boys are born for every 100 girls?

There are 105 boy babies born for ever[y] 100 girl babies worldwide but scientists haven't determined why this sex ratio is so.



( http://geography.about.com/library/faq/ ... eratio.htm )


( Emphasis Mine. )
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Where does it say that?

Here is (again) Jacob Chapter Two, Verses 31 through 33:


Those cases were not God authorized so you haven't answered the question.
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Re: Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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Is Plural Marriage (Polygamy) really an Eternal Principal? Are Women really more Spiritual and willing to accept the spirit than Men? Are there going to be a lot more Women than men within the Celestial Kingdom? Are men more likely to go to the Terrestial and/or Telestial Kingdoms? And if there are going to be a lot more women than men within the Celestial Kingdom, are the few men who are lucky enough to go into the Celestial Kingdom are going to have to enter into Polygamy?


Elder Holland believes they are and offers it as the reason for polygamy in the CK:


[Polygamy] was a spiritual principle. ... It was not licentiousness run amok. ... It was higher and holier than that. It may not in every instance have been practiced as appropriately as it should have been. ... Why it would have been a principle of exaltation and of eternity I'm not sure I know, and I'm not sure anybody knows. ...

All I can offer at this point, I think, is the feeling that belief as I see it in my own wife, as I see it in my own mother and I see it in my daughters. This is not to disparage men in any way, but there is something more given to spirituality in most women than I think there is in most men. ...

I don't know that that's documentable or if that's defensible. I don't know if you can get any data on it. But I know women; I'm married to one; I'm the son of one; I'm the father of some. ... I know there is something holy, if you let me use that word, about a woman's faith, about a woman's heart, about her spirit. And I am only wondering with you -- on record, but still wondering -- if somehow in the final equation of this, it was a way to account for the eternal possibilities and blessings and promises of all women, as well as all men, who qualify -- whatever it is to qualify -- for exaltation and eternal life and the promises of the future.

We believe that marriage is eternal. One of the fundamental premises of this church is that family is forever. I know, in my life, that it won't be heaven without my wife, and it will not be heaven without my children, because that's true, and if that's some eternal principle, and if there's something eternally splendid about that, then God in his goodness must have some way to let everybody share in as much of that as possible. [i.e. polygyny] And I believe that our doctrine points toward that. ...



Women are not more spiritual.
It's insulting to men when this is repeated as a reason for polygyny in the plan of salvation.

Are they saying this to make us feel better about not having the Priesthood and female Prophets?

It's important to not confuse emotion with the spirit.
I think LDS men perceive us as more spiritual because we are more emotional and cry easier. (especially around a certain time of the month) We were designed with higher voices for example, because babies respond better to that pitch. Change the hormones in these "spiritual women" and they will act more like men.

Anyone can tell you how mallicious and cruel women can be through their gossip, jealousy, control, revenge, worldliness, selfishness, etc. Men just express their feelings differently. in real life, I have rarely seen a man who gossips and judges others the way women do.


LDS men also misperceive that women are more spiritual because of their devotion and service in the church. Women tend to be more zealous in their callings because it involves creating, nurturing, and socializing.
That has nothing to do with spirituality.
I know many TBM women who do not care if Mormonism is true or false because of the friendships, programs for kids, and social gatherings in the church. in my opinion, this is why there tend to be more active LDS women in most Wards.
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Re: Are Women More Spiritual Than Men?

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If that were the case (i.e., women are more spiritual), then women should be leading the church, rather than un-spiritual men.
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skippy the dead wrote: If that were the case (i.e., women are more spiritual), then women should be leading the church, rather than un-spiritual men.



Well, it looks like it is time for LDS Church President Thomas Monson to Resign, and make Sheri Dew the new LDS Church President.
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