Chaldeans Within The Book of Abraham.

[_rcrocket]

Josephus and the papyrus are from the same time - that's all you can conclude.

Now that's a fascinating response, for it admits Joseph Smith's translation.

[_Kevin Graham]

Joseph Smith was famliar with Josephus' writings for crying out loud. He got this nonsense from Josephus the same way he borrowed from Thomas Dix's, Philosophy of a Future State. This isn't rocket science.

[_rcrocket]

Joseph Smith was famliar with Josephus' writings for crying out loud. He got this nonsense from Josephus the same way he borrowed from Thomas Dix's, Philosophy of a Future State. This isn't rocket science.

I don't dispute that Joseph Smith had familiarity with Josephus. I cite Josephus only for the point that the concept that Abraham was of the Ur of the Chaldees was a notion in print before Christ.

But, you certainly give Joseph Smith a lot of credit for the content of the Book of Abraham.

You're still a Christian. Do you think Abraham was a real person? If so, is it unreasonable to think that the Chaldeans existed as a concept at least as early as 800 B.C.? Is that too late for you for Abraham, and if so, why?

For crying out loud. You idiot. [Gratuitous in-kind slam provided for amusement.]

[_Kevin Graham]

I don't dispute that Joseph Smith had familiarity with Josephus. I cite Josephus only for the point that the concept that Abraham was of the Ur of the Chaldees was a notion in print before Christ.

Great, so we know now where Smith got it from. Remember this has been used as an example of apologetic proof that Joseph Smith was receiving revelation.

But, you certainly give Joseph Smith a lot of credit for the content of the Book of Abraham.

Yes, though he borrowed plenty from various sources.

No, I'm not a Christian.

[_Droopy]

Droopy can not appear here.
The word leftist doesn't fit to the Chaldean topic.

Is your conscience bothering you?

[_Paracelsus]

Droopy can not appear here.
The word leftist doesn't fit to the Chaldean topic.

Is your conscience bothering you?

My conscience has nothing to do with Chaldeans.

Try again!
The topic is Chaldeans. Go !

[_karl61]

Josephus and the papyrus are from the same time - that's all you can conclude.

Now that's a fascinating response, for it admits Joseph Smith's translation.

not sure what you mean by your response. I meant that both were written between 50 and 100 AD if I remember correctly.

I don't think you can conclude anything when two documents are written at the same time but a thousand miles apart in different languages.

[_rcrocket]

Thank you for conceding that the papyrus identifies Abraham with the Ur of the Chaldees. Few critics are willing to do so. A milestone in dialogue.

I note that my response to Brackite goes unchallenged.

[_karl61]

Thank you for conceding that the papyrus identifies Abraham with the Ur of the Chaldees. Few critics are willing to do so. A milestone in dialogue.

I note that my response to Brackite goes unchallenged.

I think the papyrus gives instructions to an Egyptian woman's soul about the Egyptian after life. This dates to the first century A.D., the same time Josephus wrote in Rome. Josephus writes about history based on what he was taught, not via revelation.

[_rcrocket]

I continue to note that my response to Brackite continues to go unchallenged.

Is Abraham a real person? If so, when did he live? Proof?