Why Does Runtu Hate His Former Faith So Much?

[_Kevin Graham]

I wonder why nobody seemed shocked or offended when the term "hate" was used in the Hamblin critique?

Didn't Hamblin use a racial slur?

[_Kishkumen]

Didn't Hamblin use a racial slur?

Ah yes, but a criticism of Mormon apologetics is equivalent, in their minds, with the ideologies and practices that resulted in the deaths of millions of Jews and other "non-Aryans." There is a certain mental alchemy going on here--one that turns gold into crap, at least in the imaginations of Bill and Bob.

[_rcrocket]

John -- I'm curious. Why do you spend so much time personally maligning your former faith so much? I mean, you don't make money off of it like the Tanners or Metcalf.

Why so much time? Is there some therapeutic value to it? I mean, you can't possibly be learning anything from anybody on this Board, do you?

'To malign' for one person can be 'to tell the truth' for another, Bishop. And here's the irony you keep missing: your actions/words on this bb place the Church in a far worse light than anything Runtu has ever written. Carry on ....

There is really no reason to mock me to get some sort of additional effect. I certainly admit to being a poor example of a Mormon in many ways.

But, my question is legitimate. If I left the Fraternal Order of Eagles because I thought they were a bunch of alchoholic cultists, I'm not sure how meaningful my life would be spending days, hours and an eternity continuing to malign them, as Runtu does the Mormons. What a waste of life, of effort, of good will and good spirit.

[_Runtu]

There is really no reason to mock me to get some sort of additional effect. I certainly admit to being a poor example of a Mormon in many ways.

But, my question is legitimate. If I left the Fraternal Order of Eagles because I thought they were a bunch of alchoholic cultists, I'm not sure how meaningful my life would be spending days, hours and an eternity continuing to malign them, as Runtu does the Mormons. What a waste of life, of effort, of good will and good spirit.

I do not "malign the Mormons." Give it a rest, Bob.

[_Kevin Graham]

Runtu, hateful?

Runtu is to hate as Pahoran is to love.

[_rcrocket]

I do not "malign the Mormons." Give it a rest, Bob.

Yes, you do. I think it is just a subjective determination, isn't it? You are free to ignore it.

[_asbestosman]

I do not "malign the Mormons." Give it a rest, Bob.

I suppose not, but you do malign the founder (restorer) of our religion.

I wonder what Muslims would think if one said similar things about Muhammed, Buddhists about Siddhattha Gotama, or Jews about Moses. Even leaving it at modern leaders doesn't seem to make it any better. I wonder what Catholics would think if one said similar things about their popes.

I'm not accusing you of hating Mormons, but I find the allegations unconvincing and as such I think they should be left unsaid. Investigated? Sure. Stated as fact? I don't think so.

[_Kevin Graham]

There is really no reason to mock me to get some sort of additional effect. I certainly admit to being a poor example of a Mormon in many ways.

Never fear Bob, you will always have Will to here to make you look like the perfect Mormon.

But, my question is legitimate. If I left the Fraternal Order of Eagles because I thought they were a bunch of alchoholic cultists, I'm not sure how meaningful my life would be spending days, hours and an eternity continuing to malign them, as Runtu does the Mormons. What a waste of life, of effort, of good will and good spirit.

One might as well ask the same of the apologists. They are far more obsessed with these debates than the critics are. I should know, I've operated from both sides of the fence.

I think you shouldn't be comparing ex-Mormonism to a fraternity of ex alcoholics or whatever it is you have in mind. I guess the reason you fauil to appreciate their situation is that you haven't tried to put yourself in their shoes. And that is hard, I know.

Just imagine waking up one day and then realizing your entire worldview is wrong. It is something akin to a fairy tale. And you were lied to all your life by an organization that continues to deceive others.

Whether you think they are right are wrong is beside the point. The point is they genuinely feel this way, and they react the same way Mothers Against Drunk Driving react towards people who continue to drink and drive. One experience has ruined their lives forever and they don't want to see others go through the same process, so theyw ill dedicate as much time and money as they feel necessary to make peace with themselves.

[_Runtu]

I do not "malign the Mormons." Give it a rest, Bob.

Yes, you do. I think it is just a subjective determination, isn't it? You are free to ignore it.

Sure, it's a subjective determination, but I wonder what I'd be like if I really did have genuine malice toward the church.

[_Ray A]

I wonder what Catholics would think if one said similar things about their popes.

Mormonism would need another 1,000 years or so to catch up with the criticism Catholics have faced.

You're still young. Maybe some of that coming criticism will tame Mormonism, just like it tamed Catholicism.