Westridge & Other Schools(Formerly LDS Perceptions thread)

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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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truth dancer wrote:Bob,

Stabbing, raping, and attempted murder, are generally not considered "soft to moderate" behavioral issues.

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Try answering my question. There are plenty of boot camps that take those kids in. Westridge does. I don't care what their current website says. I speak from experience. I know nothing about what goes on in the institution but I do know the parents of kids who have gone there.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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I'm assuming you are referring to here JAK when you mentioned harmony made contradictory statements:

JAK wrote:Harmony stated:
"If you give a 15 year old a free pass, believe everything he says, accept his world view as accurate and real, just because he is 15 years old then you are supporting a distorted view of reality. Your choice, of course. Not one I'd make, but then, I've worked with 15 year olds and with adults who made pretty poor choices from the time they were 15 year olds."

Has the first been suggested by someone?

Consider the contradictory argument. On the one hand it is argued that “15 year old is old enough to take the responsibility for everything they do. On the other had it is argued that one should not give “a 15 year old a free pass...” If the first argument stands, the second does not. In the second, we are asked not to trust a 15 year-old. In the first we are asked to consider that he/she has full responsibility.


I see your point though I'm not totally convinced her statements are exactly contradictory, but on the one hand she assigns all youth the maturity that they should be able to make responsible decisions and if not accept consequences but then she retracts that position by arguing they are untrustworthy in general.

by the way, again Harmony you are making a strawman argument because no one on this thread has suggested that everything a 15 year says should be believed true, or that they have not acted irresponsibly or have necessarily done no wrong. But it's more complex than placing all fault on youth and assuming the status quo of using private residential treatment facilities where apparently many have employed a program consisting of a graded level of punitive behavior modification ... is just fine.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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rcrocket wrote:
truth dancer wrote:Bob,

Stabbing, raping, and attempted murder, are generally not considered "soft to moderate" behavioral issues.

~td~


Try answering my question. There are plenty of boot camps that take those kids in. Westridge does. I don't care what their current website says. I speak from experience. I know nothing about what goes on in the institution but I do know the parents of kids who have gone there.


Bob, how many child rapists and children attempting to kill their parents do you personally know of who have actually attended the residential program at Westridge? If you know of some, how do you reconcile the fact that Westridge specifically states that they do not "treat" such children and that their program excludes such children? If Westridge is admitting dangerous children, sexual offenders and attempted murderers, and misleading parents that they are not, I find this quite disturbing to say the least.

To answer your question, children who are attempting to murder a parent need psychiatric help. If they are an imminent danger to others or themselves they can be admitted to a psychiatric facility with the very clear goal of helping them return to their family.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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Bob, how many child rapists and children attempting to kill their parents do you personally know of who have actually attended the residential program at Westridge?


A few. Enough to be consulted on it by other parents. I've already addressed your point about the website. I guess you can call me a liar (many do here), but I can only speak from personal experience.

To answer your question, children who are attempting to murder a parent need psychiatric help. If they are an imminent danger to others or themselves they can be admitted to a psychiatric facility with the very clear goal of helping them return to their family.


That describes a residential treatment facility -- i.e., for juveniles. Westridge is a residential treatment facility. Many of these juvenile facilities have similar goals -- get the kid his high school diploma; return him to his family; return him to society.

I think if you were to outlaw these facilities, as you seem of a mind to do so, a whole lot of parents would be in a world of hurt, as their options are very limited.

I don't know a lot about how these facilities work or how they are licensed. But I think you make a whole lot of unsupported conclusions and assumptions about how parents can control or deal with aggressive children. They love them, but they can't always leave them in their homes. To commit them to a lockdown psychiatric facility, or a correctional facility (meaning, they seek to have them prosecuted) are not options they typically would prefer. Juvenile residential treatment programs with behavioral modification programs have been around a real long time. They can be controversial. But for Westridge it appears that the number of lawsuits against it are less than five.





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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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crock,

I want a way to ask you a question off the board. Can you make that happen?

It might be 2 questions. I have PM boxes here and on MADB. Figure it out and get back to me, please.
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Jersey Girl wrote:crock,

I want a way to ask you a question off the board. Can you make that happen?

It might be 2 questions. I have PM boxes here and on MADB. Figure it out and get back to me, please.


When I had a PM account open I was threatened repeatedly by a former poster on this board. He has now found my Facebook and is threatening to come to my home and wreak physical harm upon my family. I still have little children at home. So sad. So, my name is public here; you know who I am, but I'm not giving out my email address publicly. I will PM you and give it to you but you can't pass it along.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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rcrocket wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:crock,

I want a way to ask you a question off the board. Can you make that happen?

It might be 2 questions. I have PM boxes here and on MADB. Figure it out and get back to me, please.


When I had a PM account open I was threatened repeatedly by a former poster on this board. He has now found my Facebook and is threating to come to my home and wreak physical harm upon my family. I still have little children at home. So sad. So, my name is public here; you know who I am, but I'm not giving out my email address publicly. I will PM you and give it to you but you can't pass it along.


I promise you that I won't disclose your email address to anyone else. I'll check both boards to see if you've had a chance to contact me. I, likewise, won't share your answers on this board.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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All you had to do Bob was sayto J.G. .."I will p.m. you and give it to you but you can't pass it along." No need for the added dramatics and obvious intended smear.

Do you think J.G, or anyone else on this board is going to protect you from this individual you say is out to get you and your family, which by the way, I'm highly skeptical of because I haven't found you to be an honest individual in my past dealings with you. If you are concerned go through the proper channels, and quit playing games.
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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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marg wrote:All you had to do Bob was sayto J.G. .."I will p.m. you and give it to you but you can't pass it along." No need for the added dramatics and obvious intended smear.

Do you think J.G, or anyone else on this board is going to protect you from this individual you say is out to get you and your family, which by the way, I'm highly skeptical of because I haven't found you to be an honest individual in my past dealings with you. If you are concerned go through the proper channels, and quit playing games.


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Re: LDS Perception of Family Humiliation-Eric's Original Post

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rcrocket wrote:
I don't pretend to be perfect. I will try to merit your approval in the future.


Don't try, either, Bob, to make yourself look like the "totally innocent" and "offended" party in this. You stuck your nose where it shouldn't have been stuck, and you've harassed Eric.
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