The Case for Enhanced Interrogation

[_Kishkumen]

The other people who responded were Gadianton, Moksha, BC, TD, and Beastie, and you didn't address any of the points they raised, and even if you did, you would still need to deal with the basic problems raised by myself, Rev. Kishkumen, and UD. You got *two* substantive replies from UD, but just because you didn't get your butt kissed, you are crying about how it's not "serious intellectual discourse," or whatever else. Give me a break. Go read up on Logic 101 and come back when you actually have a well-though-out argument for once. Or, you can sit back and repeat your old mantra about how, since you believe in the Gospel, you don't need something so lame as logic.

I'm afraid that Drippy is a lost cause. Frankly, I am surprised to see you engaging him at all. It is clear he wouldn't know substance if it bit him on the nose. He identifies substance largely with his own twisted opinions and pseudo-learning. I never recall committing to engage him on this topic, and yet he is complaining that I refuse to engage him substantively. Try as I might to guide him to a proper interpretation of my straightforward posts, he remains dull as dirt about the whole thing. It really is a waste of time.

[_Doctor Scratch]

The other people who responded were Gadianton, Moksha, BC, TD, and Beastie, and you didn't address any of the points they raised, and even if you did, you would still need to deal with the basic problems raised by myself, Rev. Kishkumen, and UD. You got *two* substantive replies from UD, but just because you didn't get your butt kissed, you are crying about how it's not "serious intellectual discourse," or whatever else. Give me a break. Go read up on Logic 101 and come back when you actually have a well-though-out argument for once. Or, you can sit back and repeat your old mantra about how, since you believe in the Gospel, you don't need something so lame as logic.

I'm afraid that Drippy is a lost cause. Frankly, I am surprised to see you engaging him at all. It is clear he wouldn't know substance if it bit him on the nose. He identifies substance largely with his own twisted opinions and pseudo-learning. I never recall committing to engage him on this topic, and yet he is complaining that I refuse to engage him substantively. Try as I might to guide him to a proper interpretation of my straightforward posts, he remains dull as dirt about the whole thing. It really is a waste of time.

What's sad is that he is so nakedly in need of affirmation that he's smart and well-read. Honestly, can you think of another poster, ever, in the history of these boards, who as as big of an inferiority complex as Droopy? He so, SO badly wants other people to think that he's a smart, intellectual, "philosophically substantive" person, but the trouble is that he tries to persuade everyone via his inflated, really pretty empty language (i.e., the Thesaurus Technique), and by regurgitating stuff he's read on FrontPage.org. He doesn't really seem capable of doing his own, unique, original, critical thinking. Instead, FrontPage.org is his intellectual crutch. (That and the Church. But, then again, Droopy has said that the Church is "beyond logic," or something like that. So I guess he is a "logical relativist".) I remain hopeful that he'll resolve these issues one of these days. Time will tell.

[_harmony]

I'm afraid that Drippy is a lost cause. Frankly, I am surprised to see you engaging him at all. It is clear he wouldn't know substance if it bit him on the nose. He identifies substance largely with his own twisted opinions and pseudo-learning. I never recall committing to engage him on this topic, and yet he is complaining that I refuse to engage him substantively. Try as I might to guide him to a proper interpretation of my straightforward posts, he remains dull as dirt about the whole thing. It really is a waste of time.

The problem with being a self-taught man or taking umpteen correspondence courses to get a BA is that you never get the impact of others' ideas. The only ideas ever discussed are your own, and the only person you ever discuss them with is yourself. Not much learning going on in those circumstances. That's why only a limited number of correspondence courses used to allowed in order to get a BA. Now, of course, with the universal cheapening of education, it's possible to get BA without ever leaving one's home and never engaging anyone else in discussion or argument. It's kinda like being home schooled. Give him credit for trying, but nothing replaces the classroom for the exchange of ideas.

[_Droopy]

For actual, real, professional philosphers, I'm sure that's (largely) the case, Loran. But you are none of those things. Maybe you took Intro to Basic Philosophy as an undergrad, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in, since your logic is virtually always seriously flawed, as if you perpetually want to treat complex, real-world problems as if they are episodes of 24, or if they are mind-numbingly simplistic little thought experiments.

Scratch is in full, James Carville mode today. Having recused himself from serious discourse, he just plows on through.

Before you can even get to that question, you need to establish that waterboarding and/or other forms of "enhanced interrogation" are necessary to procure the information. You haven't done that yet, and so your argument is still dead in the water.

I assume than that you have knowledge that other attempts at interrogation were not tried beforehand? Perhaps it is precisely because these three were the only three waterboarded, and this because they were the toughest and best trained of the lot, that it was used on them.

The other people who responded were Gadianton, Moksha, BC, TD, and Beastie, and you didn't address any of the points they raised, and even if you did, you would still need to deal with the basic problems raised by myself, Rev. Kishkumen, and UD. You got *two* substantive replies from UD, but just because you didn't get your butt kissed, you are crying about how it's not "serious intellectual discourse," or whatever else. Give me a break. Go read up on Logic 101 and come back when you actually have a well-though-out argument for once. Or, you can sit back and repeat your old mantra about how, since you believe in the Gospel, you don't need something so lame as logic.

Scratch. Sit. Dunce cap. Observe.

[Guest]

I'm afraid that Drippy is a lost cause. Frankly, I am surprised to see you engaging him at all. It is clear he wouldn't know substance if it bit him on the nose. He identifies substance largely with his own twisted opinions and pseudo-learning. I never recall committing to engage him on this topic, and yet he is complaining that I refuse to engage him substantively. Try as I might to guide him to a proper interpretation of my straightforward posts, he remains dull as dirt about the whole thing. It really is a waste of time.

All of this verbiage is really not necessary in making clear that you're in way over your head here and are out of your league in attempting a substantive and nuanced discussion.

Its quite clear, really.

[Guest]

The problem with being a self-taught man or taking umpteen correspondence courses to get a BA is that you never get the impact of others' ideas. The only ideas ever discussed are your own, and the only person you ever discuss them with is yourself.

Actually I have several years (over three now) of formal education and am continuing in that manner. In my entire life of self education, I have debated and discussed things with numerous people, including on the internet.

See what bigotry and mean spiritedness towards others who's ideas you don't like will get you? You have no idea what you are talking about and yet you post out of spite in any case.

Not much learning going on in those circumstances.

Actually, I've never taken a correspondence course, except once...twenty five years ago.

Making things up as you go along Harmony? Well, of course, you're one of those who have ignored the OP and made this a "let's kick Droopy around" smear session.

Harmony, recuse or participate.

[_harmony]

The problem with being a self-taught man or taking umpteen correspondence courses to get a BA is that you never get the impact of others' ideas. The only ideas ever discussed are your own, and the only person you ever discuss them with is yourself.

Actually I have several years (over three now) of formal education and am continuing in that manner. In my entire life of self education, I have debated and discussed things with numerous people, including on the internet.

See what bigotry and mean spiritedness towards others who's ideas you don't like will get you? You have no idea what you are talking about and yet you post out of spite in any case.

Not much learning going on in those circumstances.

Actually, I've never taken a correspondence course, except once...twenty five years ago.

Making things up as you go alone Harmony? Well, of course, you're one of those who have ignored the OP and made this a "let's kick Droopy around" smear session.

Harmony, recuse or participate.

25 years of learning, and this is all you have to show for it? Get a refund, Droop. Seriously.

[Guest]

All of this verbiage is really not necessary in making clear (oh, the inelegant prose! oh, the humanity!) that your (sic) way in over your head here and are out of your league in attempting a substantive and nuanced discussion.

Its (sic) quite clear, really.

Ah, Loran. S'ok, buddy. We are still waiting for the same from you, except we would express it a little bit more eloquently and correctly than you do. Here's a thought. Since you claim you are the genius, why don't you provide us a detailed philosophical justification of waterboarding? I mean, if you are interested in anything other than bloviating about your secret desires and disdain for everyone who doesn't share them, then you surely want to educate us benighted souls at the Trailer Park, or at least, the LDS lurkers who badly need your guidance. Think of poor Nehor, for example.

We wait with baited breath for evidence of your great intellect and the wisdom that will turn us to the right path and opinion.

[_Kishkumen]

Well, of course, you're one of those who have ignored the OP and made this a "let's kick Droopy around" smear session.

ROFLMAO!!!! Never a more revealing statement was e'er written here at the Trailer Park.

[_Droopy]

he problem with being a self-taught man or taking umpteen correspondence courses to get a BA is that you never get the impact of others' ideas. The only ideas ever discussed are your own, and the only person you ever discuss them with is yourself.

Actually I have several years (over three now) of formal education and am continuing in that manner. In my entire life of self education, I have debated and discussed things with numerous people, including on the internet.

See what bigotry and mean spiritedness towards others who's ideas you don't like will get you? You have no idea what you are talking about and yet you post out of spite in any case.

Not much learning going on in those circumstances.

Actually, I've never taken a correspondence course, except once...twenty five years ago.

Making things up as you go alone Harmony? Well, of course, you're one of those who have ignored the OP and made this a "let's kick Droopy around" smear session.

Harmony, recuse or participate.

25 years of learning, and this is all you have to show for it? Get a refund, Droop. Seriously.

Harmony is now officially recused from any concept of serious, philosophically substantive consideration of this, and probably any (given past posting history) serious subject.

But we knew that.

If Harmony is "educated" then the term would appear to have little meaning, as she's not even comfortable in any kind of serious intellectual forum in which she is expected to contribute logical, civil, well thought out arguments of her own.