Polygamy--What if...

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why me wrote:Really good point. I think that you are on to something here. :idea: I think that if polygamy was reinstated I would choose harmony, liz and TD to be my plural wives and send their husbands on missions if any of them are married.


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Really good point. I think that you are on to something here. I think that if polygamy was reinstated I would choose harmony, liz and TD to be my plural wives and send their husbands on missions if any of them are married.


:lol:

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Ray A wrote:
why me wrote:And here it shows that he was not comfortable with the practice:

Although certain that God would require it of him and of the Church, Joseph Smith would not have introduced it when he did except for the conviction that God required it then. Several close confidants later said that he proceeded with plural marriage in Nauvoo only after both internal struggle and divine warning. Lorenzo Snow later remembered vividly a conversation in 1843 in which the Prophet described the battle he waged "in overcoming the repugnance of his feelings" regarding plural marriage.


He was probably more worried about being exposed, that was the real "repugnance" he felt, since this was 1843, which the Laws eventually did. Have you read the William Law Interview?

"Did Emma, the elect lady, come to your house and complain about Joseph?"

"No. She never came to my house for that purpose. But I met her sometimes on the street and then she used to complain, especially because of the girls whom Joseph kept in the house, devoting his attention to them. You have overrated her, she was dishonest."

"Do you mean to say that she was so outside of the influence Joseph had over her?"


"Did you ever hear of abortion being practiced in Nauvoo?"

"Yes. There was some talk about Joseph getting no issue from all the women he had intercourse with. Dr. Foster spoke to me about the fact. But I don't remember what was told about abortion. If I heard things of the kind, I didn't believe in them at that time. Joseph was very free in his talk about his women. He told me one day of a certain girl and remarked, that she had given him more pleasure than any girl he had ever enjoyed. I told him it was horrible to talk like this."


Hyrum L. Andrus, in his biography of Joseph Smith, also revealed that Joseph once joked with an older male member that when he received the revelation on polygamy, the first thought he had was to ask him for his (obviously beautiful) teenaged daughters. This book is now OP.

But I understand you dismiss all this as "apostate lies", and you possibly believe William Law was a corrupt man.


Since they all had a dog in the fight, I don't find them very credible. However, if you want to believe their statements you are free to do so. But it does seem Joseph Smith did not like the idea of polygamy. My quotations seem to prove regardless what the apostates say.
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why me wrote:Since they all had a dog in the fight, I don't find them very credible. However, if you want to believe their statements you are free to do so. But it does seem Joseph Smith did not like the idea of polygamy. My quotations seem to prove regardless what the apostates say.


Then I seriously recommend that you read Van Wagoner's Mormon Polygamy: A History. His quote is in my sig. line.
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Just for why me:

Sarah M. Pratt - The Shaping of an Apostate (Dialogue, Volume 19, Number 2, Summer 1986)
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If polygamy was reinstated and I was TBM, I would marry old widows whose husbands died from persecution. I would also marry teenagers, but I would not have sex with them.
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why me wrote:What do you want a CFR about? I told you what I believe. Should I CFR myself?
But here is one example.. (..of something totally unrelated)


CFR this:

1) Raise up righteous seed

2) To test the faithfulness of the 'aints

You mean to say that God destroys the souls of the innocent in order to test righteous men?

(I will allow you to bring up the example of Job, where God violently executed his entire Mormon family to teach him that he should pray for his friends - WTH?)
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DarkHelmet wrote:If polygamy was reinstated and I was TBM, I would marry old widows whose husbands died from persecution. I would also marry teenagers, but I would not have sex with them.


The downside is that people might think you were gay.

..not that there's anything wrong with that.
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truth dancer wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Polygamy will be legalized in my lifetime, I believe. The arguments against it are religiously based and in todays secular progressive society, it is only a matter of time.


Yes and no. :wink:

I do not think it is possible, in the United States of America to have a laws where certain marriage rights are given to men and not women. (I'm assuming you are discussing polygyny as practiced in the early days of Mormonism).

Which means, men could be married to numerous women, who could all be married to multiple men, who in turn are married to numerous women, who have many male partners, then there are bisexual folk who would hook up with various partners... In other words, group marriages and all sorts of mess.

I think it is much to much for our legal system when one begins to think of marriage rights including insurance, parental rights, divorce, inheritance, welfare, medicaid, social security, etc. etc. etc. Already the system can barely keep up. (Have you filled out any school forms lately... smile)?

Having said this, it is clear people no longer care in what sorts of alternative partnering people ingage.

~td~


I think the legal problems would restrict marriage to two people, legal polygamy can only work if women are considered to be second class citizens, similar to children. spouse benefits and next-of-kin issues would be a nightmare.

Separating civil and religious unions would be required, and that might work.

Religions could 'marry' any combination they liked, but the marriage confers no civil rights. Civil unions would legally marry any pair of people with the marriage recognized as a legal contract not a religious one. Religious celebrants could be granted authority to conduct both unions simultaneously for qualifying marriages. Only a first wife would have the benefit of both civil and religious union, but there would be nothing stopping a pair of plural wives forming a civil union. Plural wives would be in a stronger legal position with regards to child custody, but that is not a bad thing assuming the father is still financially liable if he is named on the birth certificate.
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why me wrote:Since they all had a dog in the fight, I don't find them very credible.


You don't think Joseph et al had a dog in this fight? Yet you find them credible?

Good grief, why me. I'm going to have to get hip waders, in order to get through all this crap.
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