Paul Osborne, Nightlion, and the Book of Abraham

[_Bond James Bond]

Please send your LOVE GIFTS to:
Latter-day Zion
P.O. Box 694
Bountiful, Utah 84010

Hey! I got a whole new world to build.

How about you go pound sand Mr. S. O. Salesman.

[_Paul Osborne]

Well, let's put this to the test. I need ten thousand dollars. Ask our Lord if he would like you to give me what I need.

That does it, in good conscience I make a sound judgment and determine that I don’t think you are entirely stable. I think you have some serious issues you need to work out and perhaps some professional (ecclesiastical?) help would be well advised. I wish you well and hold no ill will towards you. I hope you are not angry with me for coming to this conclusion but I think you are kind of nuts. Sorry.

Thank you for telling me you'd hep me with boots and all. That made me feel a little better.

Paul O

[_Nightlion]

Just a quick little note to Nightlion,

I'm wondering why in the heck you are picking on Paul? Of anyone on this board, in fact of anyone on any LDS board I have ever come across, (with the exception of a couple of FLDS folk), he is more committed to the teachings of Joseph Smith, and believes he was a true prophet.

Why are you not picking on everyone else who either doesn't believe in the CoJCoLDS or that Joseph was a fallen prophet?

I don't get it.

The problem of our age is getting those who care or at least believe that they care to actually do what is needed to bring forth and establish the causes of Zion. It would do little good bring up the controversy of Zion with atheists and doubters.

The LDS Church sunk into the quagmire of a lack of real spiritual experience and accomplishment that broke the back of its virtue. Lacking true spiritual competence allowed the tryanny of hypocrisy to gain the upper hand in all LDS leadership. You can see the framework of Satans laws of force engaged more than the expertise of faith in Christ as a new day of Mormonism has dawned. A day more of management than of real spiritual ministry. Nothing is accomplished that brings forth Zion. All is empire building and its management.

There will always be those few who will say nuts to evil and rise up and overcome. I hope to find these and inspire them with courage, faith and hope, to teach them to accomplish what is required to overcome the world. I have sung for Zion to come forth. And it moved.

I have accomplished, overcome, endured, and triumphed sufficient to own wisdom enough to lead and build upon a certain foundation that will be the Zion of our God, able to stand through the next age in human destiny, an era of righteousness and peace.

[_Nightlion]

Well, let's put this to the test. I need ten thousand dollars. Ask our Lord if he would like you to give me what I need.

That does it, in good conscience I make a sound judgment and determine that I don’t think you are entirely stable. I think you have some serious issues you need to work out and perhaps some professional (ecclesiastical?) help would be well advised. I wish you well and hold no ill will towards you. I hope you are not angry with me for coming to this conclusion but I think you are kind of nuts. Sorry.

Thank you for telling me you'd hep me with boots and all. That made me feel a little better.

Paul O

After all you failed to face the issue that screams LDS people are not righteous. I have been called delusional many times and by some who owned my fondest affections. One who now so decries in full deciet also once admitted in fear and self loathing that I was right and that it was just too hard for him and that I must leave him alone. You see how they fail to believe and trust in Christ, thinking it is too hard?

Some know of the horrible pit I was tossed into as a child. If then the weakest among you can come off triumphant there is no excuse for the excellent that were blessed with every advantage in life. I have truly proven myself not nuts against impossible odds for a long time and counting. Have you really proven anything of yourself, ever?

You never even asked about the ten large did you?

[_Jersey Girl]

What do you know about Zion?
Would you like to know more?

I was set apart being drawn by God alone to be a keeper of his word and power of Zion and advance in the principles and doctrines and degrees of righteousness that will assist to preach, teach and administer a real and true Zion in its time and season. Hid as it were from the world with Christ in God and at the same time serving to prove the LDS Church utterly fallen in their rejection of the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ; in me manifested and duly witnessed enough to remove them out of their place.

President Monson together with President Hinckley both affirmed my excommunication after appeal while President Benson lay ill. I have a letter from President Benson expressing interest in my Book of Mormon Standard of Conversion paper I sent him. Then he, President Benson, was set upon and robbed by that mobber who cut down more than one who stood in his way. Secret abominations of every sort lurk beneath the skin of apostasy and treason in the treachery of lies and hypocrisy.

Thanks, but no thanks, Nightlion. I'm afraid I've "heard" as much as I'd like to from you. The only thing that I find more disturbing than your posts is the real possibility that they weren't written by a sock puppet.

[_Paul Osborne]

After all you failed to face the issue that screams LDS people are not righteous.

Nightlion,

I just can’t follow your convoluted thinking. It’s beyond me, and I fear to venture further. I don’t feel the love of Christ drawing me inward or a spirit of warmness. There is a sense of dread in your preaching that makes me want to run away into a place of safety where every wind of doctrine cannot blow. I don't want to join your cause. I hope you find peace in your life and in the life hereafter. We can agree that Jesus is the Lord and he sent many prophets to the earth, including Joseph Smith Jr. After that, we must disagree.

Paul O

[_truth dancer]

So, most of us might find Nightlion's story a little (lot?), difficult to embrace, but perhaps we just need to have faith?

The LDS church teaches to pay tithing even if you don't have a testimony of tithing and eventually you will be rewarded with said testimony, no?

Maybe if someone donated a significant amount of money to Nightlion and had faith they would "know" Nightlion was the prophet send by God to restore truth?

Perhaps if one prayed to know he was truly a prophet, the HG would bear witness, but if someone didn't get this witness perhaps they were not sincere in their desire, or too cynical or too hard hearted?

Testimony comes after the trial of ones faith right?

If we look at the LDS church it does seem the heavens are no longer open; no further light and knowledge coming forth; no revelation as of late that is for sure. The LDS church indeed does seem to be all about buildings, money, appearances, wealth, and power. And, when it comes to the teachings of Joseph Smith, clearly the LDS church has relegated many of them to mere opinion, apologists suggesting Joseph Smith just had a "superficial understanding" of truth.

Maybe Nightlion has a point?

[_harmony]

President Monson together with President Hinckley both affirmed my excommunication after appeal while President Benson lay ill.

Ah. Well, that explains many things. What were you excommunicated for?

[_Nightlion]

President Monson together with President Hinckley both affirmed my excommunication after appeal while President Benson lay ill.

Ah. Well, that explains many things. What were you excommunicated for?

They called it apostasy. I was teaching the gospel of Zion. Oh, and I let them know that I thought LDS leadership was unaccomplished and incompetent to oversee spiritual matters.

The Stake President, John Chamberlain of Provo told me the day before he excommunicated me and the first time I ever met him that he believed I did have the Spirit. So then he did knowingly cast out of the Church a true saint.

I only leared later when my own dear mom could not provoke me to anger that she took credit for ratting me out to my local authorities. She was on a campaign to hurt me any way she could. A few weeks before she called up my wife right after our last daughter was born and told he that she should leave me and that she would help her to do so.

My wife was simply shocked. My greatest enemies have always been those of my father's family. They would shriek with hateful bile against me and crave that I be rendered irrelevant. They got what they wanted.

Why did my mom hate me? Somehow she knew before I was even born that she hated me. Chucked me against a cement wall once as a baby. Why did she think that I needed to know that? If I turn out to be someone significant to God that just made her all the more determined to make me fail.

Now that she is eighty-five next week we have splendid lunches together twice a month and she talks only about herself. She never bonded with any of my children. She would stand at the door and refuse to even come into my home. She did not want to know what it was really like in my home, that would conflict with her vile fantasy.

[_Nightlion]

So, most of us might find Nightlion's story a little (lot?), difficult to embrace, but perhaps we just need to have faith?

The LDS church teaches to pay tithing even if you don't have a testimony of tithing and eventually you will be rewarded with said testimony, no?

Maybe if someone donated a significant amount of money to Nightlion and had faith they would "know" Nightlion was the prophet send by God to restore truth?

Perhaps if one prayed to know he was truly a prophet, the HG would bear witness, but if someone didn't get this witness perhaps they were not sincere in their desire, or too cynical or too hard hearted?

Testimony comes after the trial of ones faith right?

If we look at the LDS church it does seem the heavens are no longer open; no further light and knowledge coming forth; no revelation as of late that is for sure. The LDS church indeed does seem to be all about buildings, money, appearances, wealth, and power. And, when it comes to the teachings of Joseph Smith, clearly the LDS church has relegated many of them to mere opinion, apologists suggesting Joseph Smith just had a "superficial understanding" of truth.

Maybe Nightlion has a point?

How sweet. Thank you.