SMPT in Claremont in Less Than Two Weeks

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Re: SMPT in Claremont in Less Than Two Weeks

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Daniel Peterson wrote:As a matter of fact, though, the Foundation for Interreligious Diplomacy, on whose small board I sit...


You sit on a board whose main task has something to do with diplomacy? OMG, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a month!

Danna wrote:I ask this in light of your previous comments on secular 'critics', which misrepresent non-theist logic and argument somewhat.

That could be debated, though I won't debate it here.


Of course you won't. You've rarely if ever contributed anything that could be remotely construed to be debate here. You specialize in comic relief.

(I will not be drawn back to this place. Though I reserve the right to post whatever and whenever I choose, my extensive participation here is finished.)


As if anyone here was drawing you in? We function without you, Daniel, even while we may miss your comic relief.

Authors, directors, and composers whose works are reviewed negatively typically claim that the critic didn't understand the book, must have seen a different movie, or misunderstood the symphony. Once in a while, they've got a point.


Once in a while, so do we.

There is, though, no link to my notes.


Are there notes? Or is this another example of a phantom transcript? If there is no link, what proof is there that there was a presentation? You're making fun of Gad's "presentation", yet we have no proof of your own, only the word of a few who may have been under the same influence the witnesses were. Anything less than a link to the presentation is totally unreliable, as Juliann made abundantly clear.
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harmony wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:As a matter of fact, though, the Foundation for Interreligious Diplomacy, on whose small board I sit...

You sit on a board whose main task has something to do with diplomacy? OMG, that's the funniest thing I've heard in a month!

You don't actually know very much about me, harmony.

harmony wrote:Are there notes?

There are notes. I don't consider them publishable at this point.

harmony wrote:Or is this another example of a phantom transcript? If there is no link, what proof is there that there was a presentation? You're making fun of Gad's "presentation", yet we have no proof of your own, only the word of a few who may have been under the same influence the witnesses were. Anything less than a link to the presentation is totally unreliable, as Juliann made abundantly clear.

I have essentially no idea what you're talking about. If, however, you want to claim that I made no presentation in Claremont, you'll be arguing with the same persuasive cogency that critics of the Witnesses do.
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DCP wrote:I have essentially no idea what you're talking about. If, however, you want to claim that I made no presentation in Claremont, you'll be arguing with the same persuasive cogency that critics of the Witnesses do.


What a shocking reversal. As Dr. Peterson has recently admitted, I did present at SMPT and according to him I was monotonic and boring. And now he's essentially admitting that he didn't participate in the conference, and that this has been a ruse from the beginning!
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Daniel Peterson wrote:You don't actually know very much about me, harmony.


I know you don't exactly exemplify diplomacy in your exposure on any board I've ever seen you on.

harmony wrote:Are there notes?

There are notes. I don't consider them publishable at this point.


Well, that explains the lack of an abstract.

I have essentially no idea what you're talking about. If, however, you want to claim that I made no presentation in Claremont, you'll be arguing with the same persuasive cogency that critics of the Witnesses do.


I'm not arguing anything of the sort. I'm saying if you have no abstract, and there is no link to your presentation, then all we have is your assurance (and the assurance of your friends) that your presentation took place. Kinda like the mysterious vanishing transcript that Juliann claimed (but an important person like yourself wouldn't remember a fellow apologist getting caught in a web of lies like that).
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Just for witness's sake (though I know how witnesses are often treated on this board when they run counter to the prevailing ideology) I personally saw Dan's typed notes he used to deliver his paper. He had them out and was looking them over a few times, and I saw them sitting with his planner, etc. after his presentation was over. It was interesting and well done, though still in development.

Like Dan I also enjoyed Chris's paper, and like Dan would quibble over a few points. Overall, however, there were some very interesting things said about the spread of Pentecostalism I hadn't considered, and it was interesting to hear Chris discuss these things in connection with Mormonism.
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Chris's paper was extremely well done.

I might quibble here or there, but he did a fine job, and I enjoyed it.

Thanks, Dan.

Incidentally, Dan was taller and thinner than one might be led to believe by all the donut talk. I also found him to be very friendly.

LoaP is a very good-looking fellow with a wonderful wife, a great sense of humor, and a tremendously friendly demeanor. Among other things, his presentation argued that Mormon appropriation of C S Lewis in defense of theosis is illicit, because Lewis was committed to the "ontological gap" between God and humanity.

I fear that if some here attended, they might have had their preconceptions of these two individuals challenged.

(I also met Juliann, who seemed generally suspicious of me and ranted to me for several minutes about how uneducated and methodologically uninformed Metcalfe and Vogel are. Guess you can't win em all.)
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Here's a question: Why was LoaP allowed to participate in this conference? DCP had led me to believe that this was a very serious intellectual "gathering of the minds." Not to dump on LoaP or anything, but last time I checked, he does not possess even a BA or BS degree (which is a serious sin in Mopologetic circles), and having read some of his exchanges on the board, his grasp of philosophy seems to be....wanting. Was he given a slot simply because the SMPT needed material? Or because he sufficiently butt-kissed his way on to the program?
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Here's a question: Why was LoaP allowed to participate in this conference? DCP had led me to believe that this was a very serious intellectual "gathering of the minds." Not to dump on LoaP or anything, but last time I checked, he does not possess even a BA or BS degree (which is a serious sin in Mopologetic circles), and having read some of his exchanges on the board, his grasp of philosophy seems to be....wanting. Was he given a slot simply because the SMPT needed material? Or because he sufficiently butt-kissed his way on to the program?


We all have moments of brilliance, Scratch.
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CaliforniaKid wrote:(I also met Juliann, who seemed generally suspicious of me and ranted to me for several minutes about how uneducated and methodologically uninformed Metcalfe and Vogel are. Guess you can't win em all.)


Why would she be suspicious of you? Were you wearing a long black cape and fedora pulled low over your eyes?

Forgive her, for she knows nothing much about much of anything, especially methodology, if her online rantings are indicative of her offline rantings.
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Doctor Scratch wrote:Here's a question: Why was LoaP allowed to participate in this conference? DCP had led me to believe that this was a very serious intellectual "gathering of the minds." Not to dump on LoaP or anything, but last time I checked, he does not possess even a BA or BS degree (which is a serious sin in Mopologetic circles), and having read some of his exchanges on the board, his grasp of philosophy seems to be....wanting. Was he given a slot simply because the SMPT needed material? Or because he sufficiently butt-kissed his way on to the program?


No, I think it rather is "to dump on loap or anything," but that is expected from the Mister Scratch!
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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