The New Mormon Theology/One Eternal Round

[_Nightlion]

Thirty years ago I began to study by faith and by prayer the LDS standard works, which I was already expert at, to round off the barbs of unsophisticated LDS recreational theology that never squared with LDS scripture.

Seeking the answer to the Adam-God perplexity and the open ended references to Jesus Christ being the Very Eternal Father featured prominently in the Book of Mormon (so much so that it was removed more than it was retained) and a few other split ends of hairs of doctrine long ignored and never spoken to I dedicated four years of full time unpaid diligence to the task.

For envy I was never honored for my work in the days I completed it. Rather I was put on official Church disiplined probation, and no church authority would sit with me or entertain any of this at the time. Some local yokals tried but it was dismal. I doubt none ever will address it because you cannot field new thoughts without the comfort of the power of the Holy Ghost to assure you. They must do the first works.

These were the days before Hoffmann when Metcalf was working at the LDS Church Historical Library. The amazing and thrilling theology that unfolded was realized by the power of the Holy Ghost taken out of existing LDS standard works alone.

Concluded:

1.LDS standard works are sufficient to understand a complete and workable theology that rolls perfectly from one eternity to the next inclucive of docrines already understood properly.
2.The Adam-God doctrine is false every which way it has been treated except for its remnant in this effort.
3.Exaltation is not godhood on the same eternal round as that of God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost.
4.Adam and Eve are the spirit body parents of the Human Race.
5.There is only One Godhead in all eternity and throughtout all the cosmos.
6. Eve needed to come into the Garden of Eden to replenish her "spent" conceptions that had already finished all the hosts thereof in the spiritual creation where Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply and replenish the Earth before the Garden.
7. When man was created both male and female in the likeness of God this is the resurrection unto exaltation of Adam and Eve (in Celestial Glory in the likeness and image of God) who were never married in the scriptural narative because they were already married for all eternity before they were resurrected. As a couple they were commanded to multiply and replenish with the spiritual seed of exalted parents.
8. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost tread in each other's tracks and inherit what the one before them leaves. Meaning that Christ was, is and will be,,,,,,,,,,,Christ, over and over again every third generation of the Heavens. The term Holy Ghost refers to the Ghost of the Holy Father from whence the Holy Ghost vacates his previous posistion seated upon the thrown of power. leaving behind the body which shall be inhabited by his successor.
9.The body of Christ is still flesh and blood that he took again and was not properly resurrected because he will not use it forever. It still bears the physical scars of his crucifixion and cannot therefore be a glorious resurrected body fully restored.
10. The ordinance of eating the drinking the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ will have a litteral fulfillment at that moment when all things become new and Jesus Christ will sit upon the very throne of power which shall be moved to the location of this earth. The physical husk of the body of Christ will be disposed of to fill all those who ever worthily partook of these emblems in proper ordinances.
11. Christ is, was, and will be, the Very Eternal Father as are all three each in there turn as they continue on there coarse which is one eternal round. Christ told the Jews. What and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up to where he was before. This is what he meant. John 6.
12. The creation of Adam in the Garden of Eden was to take the dust of the physical world and incorporate it, fuse it, with the spiritual, resurrected body that was called putting his spirit into him. This was to tether the man Adam to remain upon this earth. After he had assimilated the gross elements of this world sufficiently a rib was taken to form the tether for Eve so that she would not have to suffer the assimilation process as much as Adam did. How genteel of him.
13. The keys of the priesthood link all exaltations under one head so that one atonement carries forth throughout all worlds without number which are each the workmanship of the One True God.
14. There are four stages of creation, and five stages of existence.
A. Light and truth which cannot be created or made
B. The organization of intelligence where light and truth obey the commandment of God, or in other words God speaks and man is created, to come out with the gifts of knowledge to organize themselves according to that sphere of existence to which they were appointed.
C. Those who did not rebel were added upon with a spiritual body at the commandments given to exalted parent who were to conintue the seed both in the world and out of the world.
D. The physical world where we are added upon again.
E. The resurrection/exaltation/created in the likeness and image of God for the next generation of the heavens and the earth.
15.Christ was never just an Elder Brother amongst the organized intelligences. He was the Chosen and Only Begotten of the Father leaving the position of the Holy Ghost to become the Lamb of God.
16. All the creations of God are accomplished by the word of his power which are his commandments and he does not create by sexual copulations. Again none of the three have any wives.
17. There is no Eternal Mother but there are in each world one like unto Eve, the mother of all living.

Lesser conclusions:
1.The Holy Ghost is never born into this world.
2.Satan is not the brother of Jesus Christ.
3. Men are called gods in their exaltation only because they also lay down their lives and take them again as do the Very Gods.
4. The Very Eternal Father cannot logically ever continue the seeds in exaltation because he would also have to enter the physical world and continue the other seeds, for there are two separate seeds that continue both in the world and out of the world forever and ever.

I just wrote this up without consulting with my paper but it makes most of the startling points of my radical theology. Enjoy.

If you want to dig out the scriptural references this paper is at the end of my book THE WITNESS OF LATTER-DAY ZIONhttp://www.fireark.org

[_bcspace]

You seem to have a lot there that is neither LDS doctrine or scripture.

For example, you seem stuck on Adam God which was never taught by BY but do seem to understand part of what BY's opinion actually was (Adam Sr. Adam Jr), but of course was never doctrine in the first place.

[_Nightlion]

You seem to have a lot there that is neither LDS doctrine or scripture.

For example, you seem stuck on Adam God which was never taught by BY but do seem to understand part of what BY's opinion actually was (Adam Sr. Adam Jr), but of course was never doctrine in the first place.

Nah, nah, nah, it is all good LDS doctrine that taste good. It is all based solidly upon LDS Standard Works. This is just an outline. If you could see that immediately it would not have taken so long for someone to discover it. Well you got to have the gift and power of the Holy Ghost to read scripture. Otherwise you are only reading English or some other language and not the world of God. YOu have to read the word of God by the power of the Holy Ghost to get it right.

Forget the LDS it is dead. It is good Latter-day Zion doctrine. How's that?

[_bcspace]

LOL! Frankly, I would not hesitate to discipline you if you taught this doctrine openly in Church; though I would be happy entertain it with you beforehand. It is not found in the standard works. In other words, I don't believe you have the ability or the Spirit with you to show it.

No offense intended. Just sayin.....

[_Scratchopolis]

Silly bcspace. If the truths of the Gospel were readily available then how could we expect that only one man on Earth would know about them? If it were even remotely simple then the unwashed masses might get involved and that person would be less unique.

God's idea of revealing his plan is to make it as arcane as possible so that only one person can get it and then he shall prove his holiness by showing vague shapes in mountains.

[_bcspace]

It literally is that simple. There are indeed truths not revealed and one may fill in the gaps as one wants, but one may not teach them as doctrine and expect to remain in good standing with the Church.

[Guest]

LOL! Frankly, I would not hesitate to discipline you if you taught this doctrine openly in Church; though I would be happy entertain it with you beforehand. It is not found in the standard works. In other words, I don't believe you have the ability or the Spirit with you to show it.

No offense intended. Just sayin.....

What do you think I did in the original paper? I proved all these claims by opening up and unfolding existing scripture. Let's just take the original idea that the organization of intelligence was a completely seperate stage of existence before we were added upon with a spiritual body after Christ made a world whereupon those who did not rebel could dwell.

LDS understand already (I think they still do) that they originated as part of the Spirit of truth:

D&C 93:23,29
23. Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that whichis spirit , even the Spirit of truth;
29. man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, of the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

So here we are in the beginning with God as part of the light of truth. We were there but had no independent existence quite yet. It continues:

D&C 93:30
30. All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.

One small verse for God, one giant leap for mankind. For this is where God spoke and man was created, or began to exist independently and seperately as an agent for himself. This is the organization of intelligence that the Book of Abraham speaks of. It was accomplished by the word of His power, his commandments and listen carefully, for this is really cool and great doctrine that is resoundingly profound and eye-popingly new! Who spoke at this moment to command us to recieve the knowedgle of our several independent spheres of existence, not only that of man but af all things? Christ spoke the will of the Father and it was carried out by the power of the Holy Ghost. Thus all three are the Very Eternal Father. Deal with that!

Mosiah 16:15
15. Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen

Jesus Christ says that he is our God and our Maker. This is how he made all things from the beginning. As he says by the word of his power

D&C 29:30-31
30. But remember that all my judgments are not given unto men; and as the words have gone forth out of my mouth even so shall they be fulfilled, that the first shall be last, and that the last shall be first in all things whatsoever I have created by the word of my power, which is the power of my Spirit.
31. For by the power of my Spirit created I them; yea, all things both spiritual and temporal.

Interestingly enought the Lord goes on in verse 32 to delineate four seperate stages of creation. That they continue and are eternal is what he means by the first is last and the last is first meaning they overlap from one eternity to the next. In other words your resurrection, the last will be counted as the first spiritual creation in the next generation of the heavens and the earth. Cool, huh?

Zechariah 12:1
1. The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundatinof the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Moses 7:32
32.The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these they brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

Jacob 4:9
9. For by the power of his word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word, Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was, and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the earth, or th eworkmanship of his hands upon the face of it, occording to his willand pleasure?

Psalms 148:2,5
2. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
5. Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created

Isaiah 54:5
5. For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of Hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Abraham3:18, 22
18 Howbeit that he made th egreater star: as, also, if there be two spirits and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, , notwithstanding on is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have noend, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
22. Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the word was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;

This goes on to tell that Satan kept not his first estate but that all those who did keep there first estate were added upon in the next stage of creation that began after a world was created whereon these may dwell.

So there you have a completely unknown stage of existence that opens up the understanding of scriptures throughout the entire canon.

You are welcome. Do you doubt that I cannot do this with every point?
Some are less overtly manifested but plain to understand when you comprehend the entire picture right.

You see then that it is in scripture and I was completely justified to expound according to the gifts and power of the Holy Ghost which is in me. That is the right of all saints. Did the Church therefore sin against me twice and establish two witnesses against itself?

[_Nightlion]

Silly bcspace. If the truths of the Gospel were readily available then how could we expect that only one man on Earth would know about them? If it were even remotely simple then the unwashed masses might get involved and that person would be less unique.

God's idea of revealing his plan is to make it as arcane as possible so that only one person can get it and then he shall prove his holiness by showing vague shapes in mountains.

I suffered forty years in abject ignominity. How do you figure I am a crazed egomaniac vaunting his own holiness? The glory of the power that is upon me and has opened my mouth to astound congregation after congregation of hypocrites never got me any praise of men, only the back of their hands and the cold sholder. And do you think loneliness is something every human craves just so he comes off unique?

Nothing vague about the Stone Cut Out Of The Mountain Without Hands that stands there an Ensign to the Nations on the top of the mountain, smiting the image of Babylon on the toes even the swine hooves symbolic of apostasy, squared off perfectly to confront the Head of the LDS Church layed in the dust with it toes up. This is all the Art Of God and it is marvelous and a wonder to behold.

[_Dr. Shades]

I suffered forty years in abject ignominity.

When you say "suffered," what exactly do you mean? How does merely being unknown equal suffering?

[_Nightlion]

I suffered forty years in abject ignominity.

When you say "suffered," what exactly do you mean? How does merely being unknown equal suffering?

As I said; I suffered IN abject ignominity. The suffering was not the lack of a proper rep.

When I first opened my mouth by the gift and power of the Holy Ghost I was only eighteen but I lived amongst the greats of the LDS leadership and education institutions. They scoffed and belittled my faith and denied the truth of the gospel I know I had experiencd and began to finesse my reputation and marginalize my threat at once.

To realize that you are rejected of your people causes great suffering not just for your personal advantage but the realization carries the entire weight and burden of a lost people, a fallen generation, an apostate priesthood, excuciatingly hard to reconcile. It mars your visage as you carry that astounding fear for all you know and love and it cannot help but appear on your face.

his is what Christ suffered eighteen years after teaching the Jews in the temple, who rejected him, until he manned up and took the kingdom in the majesty of his own great faith and by the power of his own sonship to God and triumphed. That is why it was easy for the friends of Christ to think he was besides himself; for they had witnessed the stress and thought he was weak.

As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred, more than any man, and his form (his rep?)more than the sons of men: Isaiah 52:14