Nightlion wrote:bcspace wrote:LOL! Frankly, I would not hesitate to discipline you if you taught this doctrine openly in Church; though I would be happy entertain it with you beforehand. It is not found in the standard works. In other words, I don't believe you have the ability or the Spirit with you to show it.
No offense intended. Just sayin.....
What do you think I did in the original paper? I proved all these claims by opening up and unfolding existing scripture. Let's just take the original idea that the organization of intelligence was a completely seperate stage of existence before we were added upon with a spiritual body after Christ made a world whereupon those who did not rebel could dwell.
LDS understand already (I think they still do) that they originated as part of the Spirit of truth:
D&C 93:23,29
23. Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that whichis spirit , even the Spirit of truth;
29. man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, of the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
So here we are in the beginning with God as part of the light of truth. We were there but had no independent existence quite yet. It continues:
D&C 93:30
30. All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
One small verse for God, one giant leap for mankind. For this is where God spoke and man was created, or began to exist independently and seperately as an agent for himself. This is the organization of intelligence that the Book of Abraham speaks of. It was accomplished by the word of His power, his commandments and listen carefully, for this is really cool and great doctrine that is resoundingly profound and eye-popingly new! Who spoke at this moment to command us to recieve the knowedgle of our several independent spheres of existence, not only that of man but af all things? Christ spoke the will of the Father and it was carried out by the power of the Holy Ghost. Thus all three are the Very Eternal Father. Deal with that!
Mosiah 16:15
15. Teach them that redemption cometh through Christ the Lord, who is the very Eternal Father. Amen
Jesus Christ says that he is our God and our Maker. This is how he made all things from the beginning. As he says by the word of his power
D&C 29:30-31
30. But remember that all my judgments are not given unto men; and as the words have gone forth out of my mouth even so shall they be fulfilled, that the first shall be last, and that the last shall be first in all things whatsoever I have created by the word of my power, which is the power of my Spirit.
31. For by the power of my Spirit created I them; yea, all things both spiritual and temporal.
Interestingly enought the Lord goes on in verse 32 to delineate four seperate stages of creation. That they continue and are eternal is what he means by the first is last and the last is first meaning they overlap from one eternity to the next. In other words your resurrection, the last will be counted as the first spiritual creation in the next generation of the heavens and the earth. Cool, huh?
Zechariah 12:1
1. The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundatinof the earth,
and formeth the spirit of man within him.Moses 7:32
32.The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these they brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and
I gave unto them their knowledge in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;
Jacob 4:9
9. For by the power of his word man came upon the face of the earth, which earth was created by the power of his word, Wherefore, if God being able to speak and the world was,
and to speak and man was created, O then, why not able to command the earth, or th eworkmanship of his hands upon the face of it, occording to his willand pleasure?
Psalms 148:2,5
2. Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
5. Let them praise the name of the Lord:
for he commanded, and they were createdIsaiah 54:5
5. For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of Hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
Abraham3:18, 22
18 Howbeit that he made th egreater star: as, also, if there be two spirits and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, , notwithstanding on is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have noend, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
22. Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the word was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones;
This goes on to tell that Satan kept not his first estate but that all those who did keep there first estate were added upon in the next stage of creation that began after a world was created whereon these may dwell.
So there you have a completely unknown stage of existence that opens up the understanding of scriptures throughout the entire canon.
You are welcome. Do you doubt that I cannot do this with every point?
Some are less overtly manifested but plain to understand when you comprehend the entire picture right.
You see then that it is in scripture and I was completely justified to expound according to the gifts and power of the Holy Ghost which is in me. That is the right of all saints. Did the Church therefore sin against me twice and establish two witnesses against itself?
